Good morning folks: We apologize for the delay. BenFred is leaving a BBWAA meeting right now and will be here in a couple minutes. Thanks for your patience.
Hello, everyone. I apologize for the delay on the start to the chat and thank you sincerely for your patience. Thanks to Mike for the note. Locked and loaded now, so let’s get rolling.
@TK Yes. “A lot of talk, not a lot of action - yet” a Cardinals official said this morning. Mozeliak had met with two teams in person when we met with him yesterday, and talked to agents as well. If the cardinals don’t leave with something, they need to leave with the plans laid for something down the line. They need a bat and a closer. Doesn’t have to come from here but here work can be done. Mo made an interesting comment about perhaps shifting to pitching. Archer? Tampa is definitely in the Cardinals’ wheelhouse.
First, nice name. Concerned is a completely fair place to be right now. Got the sense yesterday that there was almost a post-Stanton fog over the Cardinals. Not that they aren't actively pursuing upgrades, because that never stopped, even during Stanton negotiations, but that there was a reset. Mo made it rather clear that the Cardinals were willing to do more for Stanton because they thought he was a special player and special fit. That reach might not extend to anyone else out there. That said, it's hard to believe this team goes into next year without some sort of offensive upgrade.
Today? Wake up. Baseball writers' meeting. Chat. Blog. A bunch of interviews. Write for the paper. Mingle in the lobby with people after deadline to try to get info. Few hours of sleep. Repeat. Coffee helps.
The snark is strong this morning. I can dig it.
To recap. Stanton handed the Marlins a list of teams that he would play for. The Cardinals were not on that list. The Cardinals never saw the list, but they knew going into the process that Stanton had not agreed to drop his no-trade clause for the Cardinals. They wanted him anyway, and wanted the opportunity to convince him to change his mind. He said he was open to that discussion. Now, we can bicker about whether he was or was not. But that's what he said. And he Cardinals, headed into the meeting and after the meeting, felt that he was sincere in taking the meeting and considering their pitch. Stanton praised the pitch. He respects the Cardinals and the way they go about things. He sees them up close and personal every spring training at Roger Dean Stadium. In the end, Stanton (and his agent) said he wanted to prioritize winning NOW. He has a ton of individual achievements and wants to play in the postseason (for the first time in his career) and win BIG. The Cardinals felt like they were a Stanton away from contending. He wanted to go to a team that was already contending, and push it over the top. That was the explanation he gave here Monday. Some will say Stanton would have never accepted a deal to a team not on his original list, that he would not have done that because it would have made things easier for the Marlins. I'm not buying that. Sure, Stanton had preferences on cities and all that. But I'll buy that he wants to win championships, similar to Kevin Durant's decision to join Golden State. I know some Cardinals fans don't want to hear it, but they are not one of the top 4 teams right now.
I'll push back on this a bit. If you can't lure the big-time free agents or trade candidates who have no-trade protection that basically makes them a free agent, trading for an impact addition on a 1-2 year deal might be the best shot at a) adding that addition and b) convincing that addition to sign an extension. What I'm saying is that if Stanton would have played a season in St. Louis, perhaps he sees a path to winning big there easier than he did from Miami.
Valid points. I don't think it's knocking Mikolas and Gregerson signings to feel like those are not the moves that are going to dislodge the Cubs from the top of the NLC
Here's something to chew on: I'm interested to see how the Cardinals-Marlins relationship plays out from this point on. For multiple reasons. The Jeter-led regime made a mess out of this entire process, it became pretty clear yesterday. Stanton spent most of his press conference dumping on the Marlins instead of previewing his time with the Yankees. I'm sure the Cardinals will always wonder if things might have played out differently if things had not gotten so nasty between Stanton and the team that was attempting to deal him. And that would be interesting, but there's another wrinkle. Ozuna and Yelich are still in Miami. Mo said yesterday that when you have a trade fall through with a team, but you have interest in other trade candidates on that team, those discussions can move much faster to a finish line due to the familiarity between both organizations. But now there's this Stanton fallout, and you wonder how it could affect things moving forward.
Mozeliak tossed that out there as a potential yesterday. Naturally, minds raced to Archer in Tampa, where coveted closer Colome sits with a for-sale sign in his yard. You can never, ever have too much good starting pitching. But man, I'm not sure how a team that spent all offseason talking about the need to add thump doesn't add some of that before 2018. I don't think Bruce, alone, is enough.
It's Day 2. Let's see what shakes out.
How many of those teams were in the mix on Stanton? Cardinals should have a head start if they want Ozuna.
"Quickly" is a relative term, and the front office and fans have a different definition of it. The Cardinals, or any other team, do not operate in a vacuum. There is competition. About every other team's fan base is feeling the same way right now. There have not really been any major trades yet -- other than Stanton
I'm not as frigid on Martinez as his critics, and perhaps the Cardinals? But I talked to someone last night who explained the downside. His defense is poor, and there is no DH spot waiting on him in the NL. He was described as an old 30, as in folks don't think he's going to age well. That's the risk. Does his power overpower the concerns? You can make a case. He's also a Boras guy who wants a boatload of money.
Man, that would be awesome for the Cardinals. You would get a one-year shot to convince a guy you are likely not going to be able to get in free agency (after this upcoming season) to stick around and be the face of the organization.There has been no public sign from the Orioles that they want to move him, though -- even though they should. The Orioles' rotation stinks and multiple key players are going to hit free agency after this upcoming season. And, perhaps you've heard, the Yankees are supposed to be pretty good next year.
Yes. There were other teams interested in Mikolas.
Adding good starting pitching is always a good idea. That move you mentioned was the one that, if it got to the point of completion, was reported to include sending Stephen Piscotty closer to home. I still Piscotty is a trade candidate for the Cardinals. Mo said yesterday that there has been "sustained interest" in the Cardinals' outfielders.