Yes. Cardinals have already indicated there will be, or that several will be discussed.
A few years ago, the Cardinals saw room to have a payroll greater than $175m when the new TV clicked in. If you think about what the payroll would be if David Price said yes, then you start there and inch up for what's possible.
It could be the nature of social media or just media in general, but these chats increasingly are about 2018 even when 2017 is still going on. That has been true since June, really. And it has leaked into all sorts of media. Heck, there are a few radio hits/shows that I do and they're asking questions about 2018 and players who could be there in 2019, and I've even been asked if Sierra will be the starting center fielder in 2020 or sooner. It's like the information is so fast, that we speed up to stay ahead of it.
I am starting to doubt that this is the real Kevin Siegrist, folks.
They pursued three of those players at very different levels of intensity. You should use Tulowitzki as a better example -- that would be via trade. And, sure, when they see what has happend with Heyward and Price is works to confirm their models and what they were going to offer and just entrenches them more in this data-driven view that has a good read on the market or the future, but hasn't, let's be honest, landed the player. So, they can be good Fortune Tellers. That doesn't always make for a good roster.
They don't see it that way. They are encouraged, even increasingly optimistic.
There isn't "interest" beyond questions about him. I'm doing my best here to answer those questions. And, no, this "dumpster diving" stuff is a time-honored tradition for all teams, even fat-wallet teams. It's something every team will do at some point during a season.
Again, you've been starting. Is this a holdover bunch of questions from August?
The Cardinals have, right now, one more year of control of Rosenthal. They can do a few different things here because of the injury. They can
-- non-tender him, and he'll become a free agent, eligible to sign with everybody as a free agent.
-- tender him, keep him and pay him as he moves toward free agency.
-- try to work out an extension that gives him the year to rehab and maintains that year of control for 2019 for the Cardinals, while also giving him a place to pitch at the end of 2018 when he's ready.
I have a commitment to speak to a college class here, one at Pepperdine, and I will return to the chat in a little more than an hour. Thanks for the patience. I will get to another wave of questions -- dozens, scores more., after I get a chance to talk to the future of the sports media business. Wish me luck. Anything I should tell them?
Paul DeJong is the shortstop. His play there has been the best of anyone the Cardinals have placed there. A quick check of the stats at Bill James Online, and DeJong is a plus-4 at shortstop with one defensive run saved, and that ranks 14th at his position. That's solid. The Cardinals aren't going to get a better, improving glove at that position so why move him around? Makes sense to keep him there, unless he's getting a day off and then Mejia or Garcia are the better gloves for that spot.
Compete, yes. Win? That's less certain. Contribute? That is certain.
It's a great question, and we've seen this handled a few different ways. For Rosenthal, the protection he had was his candidness with his manager about how/when and how ready he was for use. And he also had his agent call on his behalf. Not all agents are going to do that. Not all agents are going to get their phone call taken, and not all agents are just going to go the source. Rosenthal's would. Some players also just need to be honest with their readiness, their health, their strength. Siegrist would be, often. The reliever also has to gain the trust of the manager that he knows the difference between sore (push through) and hurt (risk for worse), and that comes with time. That can be tough for a young pitcher, or a pitcher who realizes his place in the majors is precarious because a) his role or b) the number of players coming up from behind who an do that role. Look, middle relief is a tricky place to be because there are replacements coming, and a team can always bend younger, cheaper, fresher, whatever. That kind of situation can lead a player to say, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ready even when the elbow is barking because a no, no, no means no job, no spot in the majors.
He is. His contract is appealing. His bat is appealing.
Actually, they outrighted Gilmartin. So he was just removed from the roster and free to all. Siegrist was DFA'd. That means that he passed through waivers and was claimed. In some cases, even after Aug. 31, the Cardinals could agree to the waiver claim or have 10 days to work out a trade. If Siegrist cleared waivers he could have been kept in the system -- though he had the right to also opt out and become a free agent. Which he would have done. I know all this gets confusing. But: The trade situation is the same between Aug. 1 and Aug. 31 as it is after Aug. 31. You'll recall a few years ago Jim Thome cleared waivers, I believe, and joined the Dodgers in September. He just wasn't eligible for the postseason. To be eligible for the postseason, a player must be in the organization by the end of Aug. 31. The Cardinals could make a trade today for a third baseman who has cleared waivers, that third baseman just wouldn't be available in the playoffs to them. Ditto with Siegrist or Gilmartin. They could have traded either of them after Aug. 31, but didn't have the taker -- not when they could wait and have either for free.
Honestly, I imagine his playing time would have come at the expense of Pham. That seemed to be where things were headed at the time of the trade. So the Cardinals would be done one of the pitchers they prize (maybe even one they're starting now) and Pham wouldn't be the 3-4-5 hitter we were discussing earlier.
If the airlines cooperate, Friday. Maybe Saturday, at the latest.
This is a fair filibuster, and it speaks to a general theme we've had here in the chat and I hope is reflected in the coverage, dating back to the season preview for 2015 when there was a story about how the Cardinals needed to identify their next core and if they got to 2017 without doing so they would be in a fix. Well, yep, here they are, in a fix. And then you fast-forward to the 2016 preview which talked about how they were turning innings over to Piscotty and Grichuk -- betting on the players they had because they weren't able to land the players they pursued outside the organization. And you see where they are. All of these things have been building, building toward what will be a watershed moment for the Cardinals when to be the team they insist on being they are going to have to break from the approach they've had and spend some of their precious prospects and spend some of that money they have available. We know the Cardinals are eager to bet on the talent they have. That's obvious. But they need to be willing to take a risk on what they don't have. We saw the first stride of that with signing Fowler. Time to reach.
It doesn't work that way. Not like you think. If a player has a major-league contract -- i.e., Piscotty or Wong or Carpenter or Cecil -- then he's on the 40-man roster. Removing the player from the 40-man doesn't make him eligible for the 40-man roster, it puts him on waivers, and if he passes through waivers it means the team is on the hook for the entire salary and the player can leave, if he has the right, or has to go to the minors, ala Allen Craig. That's probably the best example. Look to how Boston had to handle Craig and their high-priced Class AAA team.
No. A QO is what a QO says, by rule, in the CBA. It's a one-year offer at the set price.
Not as much as the San Francisco Giants' 2017 offers a cautionary tale for staying with a team too long.