I think the surprise was the deal happened and how they learned, not why it was done.
I'm not sure the first part of this statement is true anymore, not with some of the velocity that we're seeing nurtured and groomed out of the bullpen. But the rest is well said. Well, well said.
Sure. He's had an exceptional year. Exact as the Cardinals hoped.
Nope. Necessity is the mother of versatility. Was it a miss that the Cardinals didn't have Pham start the season with the team? No, there was a reason. He had an awful spring. But necessity was the mother of opportunity.,
This was somewhat the plan going into this season. The Cardinals wanted to stuff the lineup with OBP and have a style of play that was more reflective of Wong than it was, say, of Holliday. That was the idea. That was even what Mozeliak said. He wanted a "more exciting brand of team," and he said it would be "more familiar" for the fans. Didn't happen. OBPs sagged. Fowler started slow. Diaz did, too. Carpenter as well. So the OBP stack at the top wasn't what it was meant to be a changes happened. Now, Pham and Wong have definitely brought a jolt to the group, and that's been noticed, and they'll be trying to capture that same sort of verve when they think about next years team. Just with maybe muscle, too.
Anything is possible. The opening for movement is there.
I'm sure if I visited the message boards, I would learn a lot of things. I also have the opportunity to visit with scouts and check the statistics and talk with coaches and managers in the minors and get a sense of how they evaluate things.
You might be surprised that the message boards aren't always right, and that statistics and scouts and officials in baseball don't go to the message boards for their opinions on players.
I know, shocker.
Monitor your breathing. Wouldn't want you to pass out.
Well, um, he wasn't batting leadoff to start the season. So ...
I honestly don't think Stanton is the only player that satisfies this description. He just does the one thing that gets the most attention. There are other players, really really really good players who can change the look of the Cardinals lineup. They may not hit 50 home runs. But they're going to slug .500, they're going to have a .900 OPS and they're going to be a threat. They may not star in music videos or be in fashion ads or be the most eligible bachelor on the block. But they can produce, whether Madison Avenue notices or not.
It's not that the Cardinals "refuse to even think about it."
They think about Stanton. They have thought about Stanton. They have called about Stanton. They have workshopped and explored and wondered and looked into trades for Stanton. But no team has taken on that contract. And finding a way around it is the thing that teams like the Cardinals are now trying to figure out. That's not going to happen on Sept. 5. It's just not. It's a winter conversation. It's a winter Rubik's Cube. And thus it's going to be explored again in the offseason.
The talent was never "within their grasp." Not yet. Not at this time. But there will be time for that to change in the offseason. I'm not sure what else to say or how much louder I can say this stuff.
Yes. It's related to last year in this sense: Fear of it getting worse, like last year, led them to be proactively protective at times this season.
That kind of precaution will follow him in his career.
Scouts are valuable. I can think of one American League will realize this soon.
Probably ought to, yes. Grichuk would seem to offer the Cardinals an example of how to develop a Grichuk. Yet the ring-around-the-rosey approach continues. And eventually they all fall down.
The Cardinals suggest that will happen once BPV is self-sustaining and with debts to pay off and expansions planned, not sure when that will be.
This was discussed a little bit ago in the chat. List them, and they'll be discussed. At some point we need to bend the conversation toward the realities now just the lists.
He was. He was claimed by Phillies. Like Siegrist.
No one is saying those are the two binary outcomes. There are other options, as you suggest.
They didn't want Jay Bruce.