Thanks, Gene. I think we can learn from the industry trends -- and respond to them and improve upon them. Heck, this chat is a response to industry trends and some of the things the paper saw as a strength, whether that comes from social media interactions or how to offer bite-sized looks at information. But the goal is to stay ahead and stay true, and sometimes that means not falling to the allure of untethered guessing or matchstrike-quick hot takes. Sometimes it means hoping that readers want protein with their cotton candy, want some vegetables -- that they may not like -- mixed in with the snack cakes.
I'm not sure about out of the Cardinals' price range so much so that it seems like the Cardinals don't want the out years with a player who might be a DH. It's a little like the Edwin Encarnacion talk of last year. The Cardinals did turn and look at that deal and look into a deal, but the years of commitment were such that an NL team had to think twice for a player who is better suited for DH -- or better suited to produce with the option of a DH. That same thing is in play here. It's not as the Cardinals would pivot to look at other positions,s cuh as first and third for their addition or if they were to be high on one of the other outfielder who might slip through the market based on the attention given Martinez.
Agreed. This is a big part of this big deal. The Marlins must not only make the move -- but also sell their fans on what they're doing. The Cubs did this well, and yes they had the social scene at Wrigley Field to offer in the place of a good team, but they still sold their fans on The Plan. I think Cincinnati has also done a fine job of selling fans on The Plan. Houston attempted, but still took the pinch of low ratings and low ticket sales because The Plan wasn't appealing until a few years into it. I asked Jeter about that this past week -- about whether at some point in time he should take Stanton aside and explain the vision of the franchise, especially if they intended to keep him. A better question came from Joel Sherman who asked a lot of what you did: How do you sell a move like this to your fans without a direct answer on what The Plan is. The Plan better involve prospects, so the Marlins need something, something appealing, something to sell in return.
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I'm glad you asked because it allows me to share all the math I did for that story. Ready?
I ran the numbers on what the Cardinals would have looked like without the production they got from RF and without the production they got from 1B, and then I inserted some of the name candidates out there, whether they've been confirmed as targets or not, and this is what it looked like.
Cardinals team SLG .447 (4th), OPS .786 (3rd)
Cardinals team SLG .446 (5th), OPS .784 (4th)
Cardinals team SLG .435 (10th), OPS .767 (10th)
Cardinals team SLG .438 (7th), OPS .777 (6th)
Cardinals team SLG .425 (not in top 10), OPS .764 (10th)
ADD JOSE ABREU
Cardinals team SLG .435 (10th), OPS .767 (10th)
Cardinals team SLG .429 (not in top 10), OPS .760 (not in top 10)
Fun with numbers.
They did it already with the moves of players like Rosenthal, Mejia, etc.
Interest in Arrieta will be based on the years he wants as much as the money. The years are the bigger deal for the Cardinals. The AAV could even be higher if they go shorter on the years.
I bet the Cardinals leave at least one spot open. Doesn't appear to be any trades forthcoming, but I check earlier today and have been bouncing between chat and another issue since then, so until the clock strikes anything is possible. Cardinals aren't as motivated for reasons listed elsewhere in this chat to make a move because they have the five spots open.
No. It's the Alex Rodriguez Show. We all know that.
That has not been mentioned to be as an outcome of all these talks.
We will see. Wainwright deserves an ovation and a farewell, if it is indeed going to be his last year. He has one more guaranteed year remaining on his contract, but in talking with him he has no intention of this being his last year pitching. That will be something to watch develop during spring training as he proves his health and Cardinals get a feel for his fit.
I don't know of any recent polls. I seem to recall that Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News used to have its correspondents do some blind polling on such things as best managers, best cities, best this, worst that. I haven't seen any thought from recent years.
Short answer: Yes. The Cardinals don't have the same story to sell that they once did. The Cubs have caught up and going into 2016 the Cubs could sell players on the idea that they would be part of a championship that would be historic. The last great quest in professional sports, they said. Players bought in. Now some of those players are immortal in Chicago. In St. Louis, they would have been part of No. 12, not the first in a gajillion years. Can't change that. There are also questions about downtown St. Louis, where to live in St. Louis, and, yes, there were questions about the protests in St. Louis. One thing that is play here is players are debuting younger and that means they're becoming free agents younger, and that means instead of looking for schools (see: Hampton, Mike. ahem) they're looking for cities, for appealing cities, for lifestyle. Some players are drawn to the lifestyle available in St. Louis in the middle of the country. Some are not. I've spoke to a few players in the past week about this question and what I've heard from them is that St. Louis can still sell three things that matter to some ballplayers.
-- Baseball is king. Baseball players rule.
-- Travel. Cardinals and Cubs have some of the shortest travel in the game.
I think those are selling points they can still lean on.
Ken Rosenthal is a pro's pro. A prose pro. He takes accountability and reporting seriously, and he has such a great feel for the game and what moves it and what trends are coming, not just the trends that have already arrived. Great guy to watch and learn from. I aspire to be better, to be the best baseball writer possible. I'm not sure that needs to happen on a national stage. In today's media, everyone is national because everyone has access to your coverage. The goal is to have your work claim a place on the national stage even if your outlet is local. That's the idea.
I can figure that out real quick.
With 2016 Piscotty in RF for 2017, the Cardinals' team SLG would have been .428 (not in the top 10) and the OPS would have been .764 OPS (10th in baseball).
There does seem to be a crest coming here as teams want to sent payrolls and want to be able to move elsewhere on the market. Both sides have said they don't want this lingering, lingering, lingering toward the holidays.
And the Gold Gloves, too. So he does have the ornaments of a Hall of Famer, and third base is so poorly represented in the Hall of Fame that there's ample ample room for a great player. The Hot Corner needs to be better represented in Cooperstown.
Does Addison Reed count? Would he count as a sleeper player? There are a handful of relievers that might count in that same way. Carlos Gonzalez is interesting, especially if the Cardinals still have a favorable view of him -- as it was only a few years ago that they looked into trade for him. One thing about this year: Not many secrets. I've been struck by that. It seems like the obvious names are in the air.
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