Both, yes. All of the above. Changes.
Or did the Cardinals just come to the idea that he was a poor fit for their team, for their rotation, and that the situation wasn't going to help him improve upon his production. They could take that money and go elsewhere with it -- after giving the Mariners' their cut, that is. It is entirely fair to think of Leake as the modern day Tino Martinez. Though, you know, minus the jerk stuff to fans.The Cardinals paid to have the chance to move on.
I've been outlining them all afternoon in the chat. Promise. I'm not playing coy. I'm just trying not to repeat the same answer every seven minutes.
Wins are -- for the most part, and please don't take this the wrong way -- worthless.
They can find as a narrative stat. They tell us something about what happened in the game. A starter went at least five innings and left with a lead to get the win. That's beneficial from a writing standpoint because if I write that Carlos Martinez got the win, the reader knows in one word what would otherwise take a whole sentence to explain. Saves space. I can move on. But when it comes to qualitative value, it has little. A pitcher can give up 8 runs and still win if the offense provides 9, and a pitcher can give up zero unearned runs and still lose because the errors behind him and lineup in front of him offered squat in the way of help. There are far better measures out there from something as readily available as ERA to even more refined stats such as FIP and ERA+ and so on. FIP is a solid indicator of future success, future ERA and it takes you partway down the path that I liked to look: How many times is the pitcher missing bats? With how many different pitches? Tell me that. Tell me that and how many groundballs he gets, and I'll have a pretty good feel for how good the pitcher is and is going to be.
Maybe I have fans confused with the Marlins hitters he was hired to coach.
Lots going on high school. Been there. Totally get it.
Top 10. He's considered one of the best pitchers in the game.
He's still young enough to turn things around. Has been undone by health. Odd early years of his development as a result. He's got some catching up to do with that spot in the draft, for sure, but he was young enough and inexperienced enough that some of that was to be expected. The Cardinals, needless to say, do have some concerns when it comes to what they've done with their first picks here in recent years and sluggish starts to those careers.
Entirely possible, yep. Or lose 'em.
They can sign them instead. Or, you know, beat the Cubs in the standings so they're not an attractive place to go for players because of all the winning. That's another option.
I don't think it's a lack of interest at all. I think it's a keen awareness of what Lance Lynn wants to make, and a willingness to see if the market will give it to him or if they can make a different offer, one less than what he wants right now. Lynn is going to pursue a deal like Zimmermann's. We've outlined that a few times in print and in the chat. That means that his deal is going to be greater than $100 million, and that hasn't changed from the day in spring training that Mike Leake shouted to John Mozeliak that he would get Lynn to sign right now, right that moment for five-years, $100 million. This hasn't been a secret. And the truth is that Lynn thinks the market will get him more than that. The Cardinals' approach with him -- and so so so many others in recent years -- is to let them find out. Get a third part to be the judge. And then engage if the price is still right. But why try to do something when the Cardinals' offer wouldn't be what Lynn wants (which is the most he can get in the open market) and the Cardinals know they can't possible close that gap without actually having the open market as a comparison. Hence, where we are.
I've been watching Anthony Bourdain's past and present adventures. And reading.
Probably the tankers. Hope they're happy with themselves.
Andrew Knizner is the name that's going to appear on the depth chart behind Kelly when it comes to prospects on the horizon. He's in Arizona right now, catching, and at 22 he's batting .267 (four-for-15) in the early stages of the AFL. He's got a walk and a four strikeouts, too. In several ways, he's similar to Carson Kelly: a transition player learning how to catch and improving in rapid strides, sometimes at the expense of his offense, which is expected to catch up with him eventually. He's even out in Arizona, like Kelly before him. He's viewed as an upside catcher who is gaining enough experience and agility at the position to someday be reliable there, a backup-like and maybe more if the bat speaks. As of today, the Cardinals do not have eyes for a veteran backup catcher to bump Kelly back to Memphis. That would trade with a trade, of course, but the names you mention don't really resonate, and no, Jonathan Lucroy would have little interest in the role you describe. Nor should he.
He does if the market slips for him, the number of years necessary to sign him drops, and the two parties meet each other glancing at each other from across the marketplace perhaps in February or so. They bat their eyes. They consider their options. And they meet each other in the middle. That's possible. But it's going to take disappointment on one side that the market didn't provide the deal desired, and on the Cardinals side it will take a patience that they can have in their search for a starter.
Yes. They plan for him to be healthy and eventually a starter for them.
This is a fair and interesting observation, but I would suggest it isn't the chase of the Cubs that has done this. First, they have known for years that the Cubs were building in this direction and were the clearest and most present threat to their reign atop the division. Second, the Cardinals would have been more aggressive in the free-agent market if all they were doing was trying to run down the Cubs for a year or two year. No, what I think has led to some of these moves is twofold. First, the marketplace has shifted and the Cardinals have had a harder time grafting their model -- what worked for so long -- onto that market place. Consider how similar the deals and timing were for Peralta just a few years ago and Cecil this past year as the Cardinals look to stay ahead of the market. Now, you can see from those two how much more expensive players got, and how the return was less predictable. Second, and this is the big one, for years in this chat we've described a donut hole in the Cardinals' organization and how they would have to go outside the organization to fill those vacancies. Well, here they are. That certainty as a starter wasn't on the shore so Leake was signed. Duke was injured, so Cecil was signed. Now, the Cardinals have been unable to produce the middle-order bat they need and the closer they had is out with an injury. So a-shopping they must go. The self-sustaining organization that will be ranked in the top third this season has provided them with ample depth and complementary pieces and even a few breakouts (DeJong one year, Diaz one eyar, and so on), but it hasn't given them the centerpiece, not yet. And so they must look outside.
The Cubs like their ring just fine, shiny and diamondy as it is. The Cardinals are trying to get a 12th.
Always a chance, slim as it appears.