Alright. An early start here because in a few minutes we'll have the Cecil Presser, and then I'll have an interview/reporting for another story to do immediately after. Thanks, as always, for your patience. The chat and reporting often have to overlap. We'll get to the questions throughout the afternoon here, so keep 'em coming. The more the better. Away we go with the Thanksgiving week Cardinals CTBNL.
Wouldn't read too much into this. Cardinals have floated starters around in trade talks before just to help gauge the market for them -- and for what they could expect to get in return for another starter. It's a good way to get a feel for how other teams value the Cardinals players. They did this with Shelby Miller, you may recall. They did it with Kyle Lohse, much to Lohse's chagrin. They are doing it, of course, this offseason with Jaime Garcia -- and getting to know what Wacha could command could help inform them for future deals.
No trade clauses are largely ceremonial, I think. There's always a price that leads to a player being OK with a trade. For example, players often include the Yankees or Red Sox when it comes to no-trade clauses, not because they don't want to play for those teams, but because they want those teams with deep pockets to pay for the right to trade for them, whether it's paying for the buyout or exercising an option.
Sale: Yes, Cardinals have had that conversation before. Some of the other interested teams are going to be able to offer more in the way of talent, if they have the stomach for it. Longoria: Still get the sense the window for a such a deal passed when Tampa Bay wasn't all that interested in moving him a year ago.
They have been looking for a team that is interested in trading for him. It's entirely likely that Adams plays elsewhere in 2017.
Lance Lynn would like a bite at free agency and has made that clear to the Cardinals. He may return, sure, but he's going to want to go into market to see what else is available. Don't read into that he's unhappy or angry -- he's just a player like so, so, so many that want to see what free agency brings given the six years it took to earn it.
Both sides have expressed interest in talking about it. The Cardinals have a process to these things. They look at free agency, they work on arbitration-eligible players, and then as spring approaches they dive into the extension talks. Look at when they've completed others: Carpenter, Wainwright, Wong, Craig ... all in spring. Lynn, Molina all in December/January. Same kind of thing here with Martinez. Martinez is interested in working out something with the Cardinals. He's made that clear.
Except he's not available this offseason, and when he was available he wanted to close. So except for those two things, then sure.
Brett Cecil's press conference is beginning. I'll rejoin you shortly.
Folks: Thank you for your patience. Derrick will return soon. I know that by the end of the afternoon you will have gotten your money's worth.
Alright. Back from some reporting for a Cecil story as well as a story for the Thanksgiving Day Post-Dispatch. Thanks for the patience as I wanted to spend the time that story deserves.
Exactly. It actually is something that we saw in the past as Rickey would use the Cardinals' vast farm system to just gather talent and keep some of the best players never from reaching the majors, or quickly replacing even star players with the younger, newer model right away. All of that talent isolated on one team or throughout one system was not ideal -- for the players or for the other teams. And when you consider the union is there to defend a player's right to a job, it makes sense for the union to want players to have access to big-league jobs.
He could still show up as an NRI, part of the team. He's been removed from the 40-man. Yet to be determined if he's been removed from the organization.
I'm not sure how strong his claim is against the Nats, to be honest. Seems like it could be against that stadium, but would be a reach against the major-league team, and even the stadium would be a reach.
It does not guarantee that, no. Cardinals are still interested in having Kelly play often at Class AAA. And by often I mean everyday. That's valuable for his development.
Adam Wainwright is like 14 inches taller, you realize.
It does not, not usually. Any team that trades for the player must also put him on the 40-man so that is a factor teams take into account. The arbitration clock is not related, no. The arbitration clock has everything to do with major-league service time -- in the majors, not just on the 40-man roster.
To be determined. Still time to fill out that role, see where Pena goes.
It's about the time that a player has spent in the organization, not the level that he's at. Latin players spend more time in the system because often sign at 16, vs. coming out of high school at 18 or coming out of college at 21. The amount of time in the minors reflects the age and the signing, and so when a player gets to 21 and he's come from Latin America he likely has to be protected from Rule 5. Because of a wrinkle in the rules regarding a rewritten contract, Allen Cordoba had to be protected after just one year on the contract.