They are going to definitely need to make one. Dynasty delayed becomes dynasty denied, if they don't.
To get him off the roster and out of their ballpark and his salary off their books.
He can hit 50 homers and be whoever he wants in any clubhouse, honestly.
It's about a wash or just a bit less, I'd say. Stanton is a fine defensive player for sure. He's above average in right field. Athletic. Good arm. Moves well. Would not be a statue at all. All-around a solid player. Also, he rakes.
Fair, but no one is saying you cannot live there. There is an offseason.
There was this really long chat.
(i) They've already done. They spend a significant amount of money on scouting and amateur acqusition and now that spending is capped. The edge is limited there when it comes to signings.
(ii) That would make then one of 27 or more teams doing that. And they are.
(iii) Good luck in a power game. One year you'll be the Mets.
These things you outline are already happening or have been happening for more than a decade as the Cardinals try to make the most of the situation they're in, the payroll they have, and where they routinely finish in the standings. Heck, one of the reasons they can whiff on the players you mentioned and still win a division, still be contention, is because they have already been doing all of these things that you describe better than the average team in the past era. Well, teams have caught up. The Brewers, Cubs, and Pirates are all better at building teams, and some of them have become better by exactly what the Cardinals have been doing. They narrowed the gap. And you know what they've done in the process of narrowing that gap is they have, on the north side, acquired players like Rizzo and Bryant, two bats that the Cardinals have not had a chance to draft or take a chance to acquire or developed, and they are not going to be able to get a bat like that as a free agent, it seems, unless they get a lottery ticket -- or find some hitter who has hoped and dreamed about being a Cardinal in the way we all hear that Stanton has hoped and dreams about being a Dodger.
So, they have to trade for one. They have to wait for the right situation at the right time with the rarely available bat from a desperate team and ... pounce.
Here they are.
OK. I guess I'm not following you. They don't have to spend $175 million. That was brought up as a place they could get to and still be far far far away from the luxury tax.
Can't unring the bell. The Cardinals still made a play for those players, and didn't get them. That's the illustrative part of the trend.
I think they can honestly look at themselves in the mirror and not see Giancarlo Stanton.
There you go. That's a good call. And they sold high on Tyrell Jenkins, too.
At this point you can shape and fold and Origami this delay into any outcome you want. We're a point where the only person who knows is Stanton, and the teams, like fans, are waiting to hear what that decision is, and then the movement really starts. That's all. We can mold this delay into any story.
Well, when the front office is providing all the data for tactical moves then I guess it is.
Those are a few other candidates. But I'm not sure if that captures the spirit of the question.
Colome. Paying for future saves your team gets is always better than paying for previous saves made for another team.
I wouldn't discount the role metrics played in those moves. Hinch is one savvy customer.
It can be a money thing. And an opportunity thing. And a city thing. And an everything thing, but also a money thing.
Seems like a good spot to call it. TKO. You outlasted me today. Well done. And I appreciate the range of questions -- even under the large Stanton umbrella, there was still a wide variety of questions on that topic. That's a credit to the chatters and the thought they put into the questions. And there appear to still be 75 or so questions in the hopper that I haven't cracked yet. Impressive showing. Keep them all in mind if you can because we're on the event horizon of the Winter Meetings. And that means chat galore. Next week, live from the Swan or Dolphin in Lake Buena Vista, Fla., the plan is that I will be chatting with you from the palatial media work room. Ben Frederickson is also coming to the Winter Meetings for The Post-Dispatch, and the sports section's uber-writer will hosting chats and firing off blogs and keeping the content humming. A defining offseason for the Cardinals has been delayed -- but it's just getting warmed up. The Cardinals need to come out of this month a changed team for 2018. Watch this space.