Cardinals chat with Derrick Goold

Bring your Cardinals questions and comments, and talk to Post-Dispatch baseball writer Derrick Goold in a live chat starting at 1 p.m.




  • 1) I have no clue if Jon Jay has a St. Louis home. 2) Don't know because this series of words you use makes no sense and is out of touch with reality. 3) He plays for Kansas City, I thought.
  • Of course Bowman is going to think he can pitch often and effectively. He's a competitor. A professional one. That requires confidence. It is up to the Manager to manage what is best for every one.
  • Right. He's also a pitcher who recognizes a serious, long-term injury could cost him a lot of money and possibly even a place in major-league baseball because out of sight, out of mind when it comes to middle relief. So, keep that in mind and give the Princeton kid a little credit.
  • What kind of impact (if any) will Holland make on the clubhouse? Seems a veteran closer would be a big voice.
  • We will see. He's been highly regarded in previous stops in his career.
  • If Wainwright proves to be insufficient in the rotation over his next 2-3 starts, would he shift into a long relief role?
  • That would be something that he'd discuss with the team, if that happens.
  • Is some of the angst because of all of the off days? We as fans have more time to rehash old games. Also off days means players cant get into a rhythm.
  • I don't believe, so, no. I believe it's compounded by two years outside of the playoffs, Giancarlo Stanton telling the Cardinals that he'd prefer to play elsewhere with a chance to win now, and a social media landscape that tends to reward the angriest. When was the last time you were spurred to write into this chat, or type onto a message board, or send an email to a writer about a story that you enjoyed even a little? It's just our nature to be spurred to do so when we're critical or angered by something. Social media fans that.
  • How could the Cards justify a complete rebuild when their young stud pitching is ready to be in the rotation by next year?
  • I don't hear them trying to justify a rebuild. If anything, they are allergic to that idea.
  • Don't forget Heyward and Price in the "spurned by" list. To that point, would you expect that trend to change if they made a managerial move?
  • I don't have any evidence of that. Jason Heyward might be the closest to making that decision, I guess, if you consider that he preferred the Cubs environment, the Cubs chance to win, the Cubs ethos, and the role that, say, Maddon plays in all of those things. The other candidates who made that choice either had millions more thrown at them (Price) or was intent on getting to a team he wanted on the terms he wanted (Stanton) and a different manager wasn't going to change either of those outcomes, not in the least. What would have changed those outcomes is millions more to Price and relocating the Cardinals to a ballpark on Madison Avenue near a beach for Stanton. I don't think you'd like the commute.
  • When Gregerson and Cecil return to the pen, presumably Tuivailala and Brebbia will be out. Who become the unused kept under glass BP guy then?
  • Why presumably? Tuivailala is out of options. The Cardinals would have to make that move thinking that he'll go to another team. Would be better to try and trade him before that spot comes up then.
  • When are the Card's hitter/hitting coach going to stop hitting into the shift. I notice several times hitters with speed whether hit into the shift instead of bunting of slap hitting against the shift. I do yell at my TV when this happens
  • Shifts exists for a reason. They aren't guesses. They are based on tendencies. Hitters have to change their tendencies. They also have to balance hitting the ball hard as they know they can and thus play into the tendency -- or give up the damage and steal the hit. The scoreboard has to dictate when and how to do this, not just one hitter or even an overall team philosophy. There are many lefthanded hitters who break the shift and it's not by bunting. It's by slugging over it.
  • Derrick, Why aren't more of our hitters bunting against the shift? Drives me nuts to see a huge hole at 3rd and short and then watch matt carpenter pull a ball to the right side.
  • Matt Carpenter is not one of these hitters, but believe it or not, some cannot execute that bunt.
  • You must have missed my comment last week on what a good day it was, it was opening day and I had just picked up the BP annual from the library, which you wrote the Cardinals chapter.
  • Thanks, Mark. That was a fun essay to write. It was a question I always wanted to explore -- and had the time to dig in on the research when it come to how the Cardinals' average draft slot compared to their tanking competitors and what a bind that put them in.
  • And, Will, I get it. You can stop submitting the same question 30+ times. Thanks.
  • What happens first: The Cardinals organization decides it's no fun to swim against the current and adopts a tank and bank approach or MLB changes the incentives to teams that lose on purpose?
  • Since the former isn't likely to happen ever because the Cardinals don't appear ready to sacrifice their brand and risk alienating a fanbase, so it's got to be the latter.
  • Hi Derrick. Serious question here--when do you think teams will start including 14 pitchers on the roster? It didn't take long for teams to go from 12 to 13.
  • For the next CBA when talk of expanding rosters begins anew.
  • Dear Mr. Goold, Thank you for your patience and your willingness to hold people to a certain level of decorum and intelligence in their questions (now, that's truly Sisyphean.). I've watched Matheny pull Wong and react impulsively that this is a bad idea, especially for a player who finally came into his own for a full season last year. I'm thinking about confidence, and the "short leash" kind of action. It reminds me of what Grichuk complained about, but then Grichuk is not Wong. Of Matheny's worrisome tendencies, it's that--if there's a "that" there--that has me concerned, just like the reliever under glass thing worries me about his judgment. Please feel free to push back against my remark. I'm no expert.
  • I see some similarities between the Wong and Grichuk situation, and certainly saw stronger ties to them in previous seasons. Here's one difference: second base. Wong can play an excellent second base, and it's a glove like that that often keeps a player in the game and in the lineup as he can change a game at that point, while the bat comes around. We've also seen year after year after that Wong is what they would call a "momentum player." He gathers momentum as he plays. That was something that we heard about him from scouts and coaches as he made his way up to the majors, and it is something he's talked about in the majors. He builds and goes. Some folks also see this as a "confidence player," as in someone who has to builds confidence as he plays and as he performs, and erratic playing time can lead to erratic performance and thus erratic confidence. Either way, if a player isn't producing it takes a commitment like Grichuk got to work through those issues and come out on the other side. Or, it takes a skill that belongs in the lineup, and that could be the glove in Kolten Wong's case. Makes sense.
  • Questionable rant, DG.
    First, you ignored my Jose Martinez v. Dexter Fowler observation. I know you're pressed for time, but I think you read Jose Martinez as Jose Adolis Garcia, whom I did not mention in my remarks.
    By your "anti-projection" logic Dexter Fowler is a "better" outfielder than any player, any prospect anywhere who doesn't already have an MLB track record. Shaky, shaky premise. By your logic even the lowest MLB veteran is better than the very best top 5 prospect, because the latter of course is nothing but projections. Not smart.

    Projections offer a range of outcomes, estimated by people and processes wiser than you and I, I would venture to guess. I showed that Fowler has been a not-very-good MLB player for St. Louis, and showed evidence (not proof, but yes evidence) that others might be as good or better.

    Question: From what you're seen & heard, would the club consider Flaherty in the MLB bullpen, or will he remain in AAA until needed as a starter? (Seems to me that Jack, who's more or less fully formed as a pitcher, should be in the MLB 'pen, and Jordan Hicks, who still has much to learn, should be in a AA rotation. But that's just me I guess.)
  • I was actually pretty happy with that rant. As far as chat rants go. #chatrants. And your response hinges on facts not entered into evidence. I did not suggest that Fowler, having done work in the majors, is "better than any player, any prospect." Far from it. I merely said that the use of projections -- in your case WAR -- is not evidence against my premise. Now, if you were to come to me with a prospect that has a track record with a .400 OBP at every level he plays and a metric/scout confirmed glove that is elite, and 70 speed and 45 power, and so on then of course we'd have a conversation. You did not. You did not offer me up a top five prospect, who, news flash is not in the top five based on his projected WAR for 2018, but rather his overall talent and future ceiling. You have misrepresented my argument. You focused on two things:
     
    -- Projected WAR of Prospects.
    -- Actual WAR of Fowler.
     
    I have a sneaky suspicion that what drove your argument was actually
     
    -- Minor-league production of Prospects.
    -- Anecdotal failures of Fowler.
     
    That is some balsa wood, my man. Build a better bridge to make your case.
     
    You are correct: Like you chose to ignore the premise of my argument, I did ignore your presentation of Jose Martinez into evidence. That was a misstep on my part. I should have addressed it. And I will now: Martinez is the teams starting first baseman. He's needed there, until further notice. Right field would still be unoccupied, and Fowler is one of the best three outfielders the Cardinals have in the organization. Makes sense for him to play it.
     
  • Kudos to being on here for four hours and putting up with people who seem so entitled when their comment doesn't come up on this feed and then complain about it. With 45 minutes to first pitch, you could easily just call it a day and ignore that stuff. Thank you again for these chats, Its the only reason I look forward to Monday afternoons!
  • You're welcome, Ben. It's important, and it's part of what makes the paper accessible and accountable. I think this chat helps proves both.
  • Hi Derrick, with more teams preferring more arms over a bigger bench do you think the realistic solution is a 26 man roster (or as I think BenFred suggested a healthy scratch)?
  • I wholeheartedly endorse healthy scratches, and have since 2015: 

    Goold: As September arrives, baseball needs a 'healthy scratch'

    stltoday.comThe call-ups are coming, and for a game increasingly influenced by close games and bullpen force, expanded rosters could tilt the races. Here's a solution.
  • Last year Martinez hit his way onto the club in FL but then struggled early without much PT and got sent down. Fortunately for us, there was an immediate injury and he came back, got PT and produced. Seems like the 1st part of that is Munoz in 2018.
  • It's important to note that Jose Martinez is a different level of hitter -- and has proven t be so -- than Yairo Munoz at this point.
  • People always claim Cards' fans would not be tolerant of a tanking situation. I actually think they would be. They have been rather tolerant on the whole the last couple of years and any loss of ballpark attendance revenues would likely more than be made up in the slashing of payroll during the tank seasons. And besides, seems like the fanbase has been pretty tolerant of some very bad fundamental baseball in the last couple of seasons and the fanbase also seems really susceptible to ballpark trinket giveaways. I think the owners would do just fine, even if the Cards tanked.
  • This is an interesting point of view that is not often heard. I appreciate John taking the time to enter it. I'm not quite convinced, but he makes a good point about possibly giving this a longer hearing. To me, the Cardinals have established a brand that is made up of these things:
     
    -- Regional team. Not just St. Louis. But KMOX-held umbrella.
    -- Historic team, with the HOFers and pennants flying to prove it.
    -- Contending team, with the intent to do so every year, by birthright.
    -- Spending team, beyond the market, but less so recently despite broadcast payoff.
    -- Respective team, and this comes from the style of game they play that the fans want to see to the reputation they value when it comes to how fans applaud other teams, and so on.
    -- A public trust. This last one is important and shouldn't be ignored.
     
    Underneath those things are such traits as every generation having a championship team and a continuity of Hall of Famers that has existed for every Cardinals team since, what?, Bresnahan suited up at catcher, right? So there's a longevity, there's continuity, and there really hasn't been a generation let down by the team. That means something when it comes to a teams brand -- whether it chooses it or has one thrust upon it. Look, you cannot say that the Yankees and Rays have the same brand, or even that the Yankees and Red Sox do, and you certainly cannot say that the Cardinals and the Mets have the same brand, and therefore their fan base would be just as accepting. Ditto with the Phillies or the Astros, for example. The Astros felt the pinch of their process. TV ratings tanked, too. Attendance slipped. It was bad. They had to build back up that trust, and they did, eventually, by winning like they have. I wonder if there would be a breach of brand that would be harder for the Cardinals to come back from.
     
    Besides low TV ratings and low tickets sales would be more trouble for the Cardinals who hitch their revenue and their payroll to such things. Hard to tell Fox Sports Midwest, hey, thanks for the $1.1-billion to $1.4-billion deal, now hey the team is going to tank for a year or two. Sell some advertisers on those ratings.
  • Alright. That's a series of filibusters. Apologize for putting anyone to sleep there. Seems like a good time to break away from the chat and call it a week. The Cardinals have an early game against Milwaukee. The Post-Dispatch has Rick Hummel at the keyboard for all the news and game coverage. Benjamin Hochman has his opinion primed and ready, and Jesus Ortiz was here working ahead on an article. Next week, I'll be traveling from Cincinnati to Chicago on Monday, and that means Rick Hummel has the reins of the chat. (The reign on the chat?) Enjoy the chance talk to the Hall of Famer. He won't fumble at the finish trying to find a way to close out the chat, not likeI do each week. I need the chat equivalent of a Greg Holland.
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