That is certainly a part of the conversations and considerations the Cardinals are making. Well not Cozart. Cozart is an Angel now, and the Cardinals think they have Cozart-plus in DeJong.
There was movement in the conversations. I never got the sense that a deal was imminent. It does seem like in a few places the success and optimism tied to signing Ozuna was projected on something else. The Cardinals, on Wednesday afternoon and evening, had agreed to terms on Ozuna and also done the deal with Oakland, pending physicals. They went off to a staff dinner at another hotel and were encouraged by the two deals in pocket and the advancement of possible moves that would come after the winter meetings. No snag. Just ongoing. That's how this stuff goes. I wouldn't read a lot into this other than the Rays are notoriously plodding and plotting with this stuff. Takes time, especially with so many scenarios in play as mentioned before.
I don't think that's fair to say at all. Oakland really wanted Piscotty. For the A's this was a baseball baseball baseball deal. They just really detailed that in a conference call with reporters. For the Cardinals, their motivation was to move an outfielder off the 40-man -- and to get the win-win of this being the best place for him to be by his mom. The Cardinals did look at deals for Piscotty to the Bay Area with both San Francisco and the A's interested in acquiring an outfielder. So the Cardinals went with the team that was the most aggressive and most interested and really had been since July.
They do wonder how that's going to look and what means for where Fowler best fits as the switch-hitter that could break up some rights. At this point, they are still in a best hitter > handedness, but if they had a tiebreaker of sorts it would go to lefthandedness.
Neither of those guys have been moved as of yet, and the Marlins have really only fielded offers on Yelich, not actively engaged in shopping him, or so they say, and so the Cardinals heard. So, it's academic whether the Ozuna package could have landed Yelich. Marlins weren't talking about Yelich yet with the Cardinals, and the Cardinals left their meetings with Miami believing Yelich wasn't going to be immediately moved. That would have cost more to get him. Andrelton Simmons isn't moving. The Angels are making moves. These options weren't on the table for the Cardinals, and no Piscotty would not have been involved in either of these deals you discuss, even if they were discussed.
Also: Baseball is going the direction of where it gets paid. Home runs pay. When savvy baserunning starts raking in the millions then we'll have a different game.
Matt Carpenter does. They sell his jersey. Already printed.
Because it would be a waste of time. Every indication is this: He's going to free agency.
It is absolutely informing it, and that's a good point to make. It completely resonates with what Michael Girsch talked about the other night in the Cardinals' suite with reporters. He was describing how they must look at deals as if they're going to be for the guaranteed term not hope upon hope that the player will swoon for St. Louis and what to stay. He said that is a risky proposition, and it is one that the Cardinals used to bank on but need to make deals only on the known and let the rest spill from there. It's almost as if they go into any rental-type talks thinking, OK, this is for the year and act accordingly. There's a Heyward Lesson in there, and it was a reminder that if you extend on the hope that player will fall for the place then you are often driven to offer him a contract at the end of it that makes it happen.
If you're asking for my rankings, the ways to improve this Cardinals team at the moment the swiftest would be in this order ... 3B/offensive upgrade ... power reliever ... starting pitcher ... and way down the list closer. I think they can make a closer from the group of relievers they'll bring to camp if they add another power option there. They can do that rather than pay for one.
They just had a chance at taking him, but he would not have to be on the 40-man roster now. He's already pass the Rule 5 draft, so that does make him more appealing to an interested team. Thanks for reminding me of that point. He would go to the minors and not have to be protected on the teams roster.
Motion to close the chat. Is there a second?
Depends on the team. The Orioles are likely to ask for specific players, or offer a nebulous it will take two pitchers including one in the top 50 of all prospects. Or, it will take two top 50 prospects. That kind of thing. In this case, often it's going to be specific who they're talking about even if they don't use names just ranking descriptions.
He did. He got that quote from me, as it was a question I asked the Cardinals. But they didn't take a temporary pass. Rays are in the same corner. They want to look at options too.
It wouldn't be last second. There's no deadline. Cardinals gave an idea that they were going to "reassess" -- didn't we just talk about this -- over the weekend and return some conversations next week.
Only if something has gone wrong for the Cardinals on the injury front.
Votto fans. We have a second.
I don't know. There wasn't one on the edge of being done last I checked. I'll check again, soon.
By the end of the year? That would be a reach. But that's a fine trio to use in relief.
There is at least one evaluation in the Cardinals that sees him as the future closer.
Pretty closely. It's shorthand.
Thanks. One coffee today. Lots of questions. And I appreciate the patience as I had to hop on and hop off a few conference calls today with the pressers and Marcell Ozuna availability. Hochman's story is already up, and look for more coverage over the weekend as the fallout from winter meetings means many things for the Cardinals and we'll try to illustrate those. They don't want to be done with the moves. That is clear. Whether they can find the right move to make is on the other teams, it seems. I've got a important meeting to get to and then it's to work on a few Ozuna stories. Look for those on StlToday.com. And this could be my last chat for a bit considering the holidays on the horizon. Check your local listings next week for date, time, and host of the next chat. It may be next year until we chat again.
Thanks for a great year in here. A challenging year. And that added to the enjoyment of it. Enjoy the holidays. Enjoy the trades that have already happened. And have a safe New Year. Aloha.
FYI, Chatters: Next up for a Cards chat is Hall of Famer Rick Hummel at 11 a.m. Monday (Dec. 18). Take the weekend off, catch your breath, come back Monday with some heat for Commish.