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My knowledge of that list has not changed since previous chats. It hasn't really been high on the list of things to explore because a) it is from the low minors and wasn't expected to include top prospects, but solid and upwardly mobile contributors, b) Bader is expected back so it may be academic, and c) it may not be finalized. Not all lists are at the time of the trade because injuries, etc., happen.
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I understand and respect your position on the new shift rule. Won't this just reduce the extremity of the shift though? Teams will still be able to position fielders pretty aggressively. I do think it would have been interesting to allow teams to do a more radical shift for one at bat once or twice a game - I think this would have added a new strategic element in the manager's toolbox.
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I think it will take roughly 15 minutes, maybe less, for teams to find a way around the rule if they want to, and they can just move their outfielders around, or start putting fielders in motion like we used to see with TLR & Co. What concerns me about the shift rule is that ...Well, to put it bluntly, it's fan service.It puts players in positions that are aesthetically closer to the position names, but ignores the fact that players have been moving around for history. Ronnie Belliard played second base in shallow right field for the 2006 Cardinals. No one complained. He changed a series. Fans celebrated. In 1946, the Cardinals used the shift to neutralize Ted Williams, and I recently saw article where Williams PRAISED the shift for being an advancement in the game. He responded. In 1982, the Cardinals again used the shift in the postseason. For years and years and years, Dave Duncan kept detailed sheets on hitter tendencies, as did Whitey Herzog. Players would see him working on them on the team flight. Those were used for -- brace yourself -- defensive positioning, and they were celebrated for doing that. We've all seen infielders get a read on a hitter, move, and make the play, and we celebrate their instincts.Now we want to rivet fielders in certain places, limit where they start the plate, tell them to pocket their instincts or their data -- and we call this maximizing their athleticism? Now starting at shortstop: Harrison Bergeron.Anyone want to square that circle for me?Oh, and the goal should be to get more balls in play to get more action in the field. That doesn't necessarily mean hits. That means plays. And you know what a second baseman on the shift scurrying to steal a hit because of his positioning is -- a play. The shift requires what baseball seeks: A ball in play. And now banning these shifts may bring more hits, may not, don't know, but what we do know is we cannot guarantee that it will mean more of what makes the pace of game and style of game and defensive excellence of the game prosper: balls in play.And if you want make the argument that defensive shifts have neutralized a class of hitters. OK, so have cut fastballs. So has velocity. But we're not telling pitchers not use scouting reports to throw specific pitches into specific zones where a hitter as a hole to be exploited.So why are we doing that with fielders? It's inconsistent.It better work.
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They made a play for him last year and he saw the opportunity to start was better elsewhere. Not sure that equation is going to change, honestly. I guess a strong performance from him in October or Wainwright's decision not to return would change that opportunity. Both of those things are based on information none of us have at this moment. Based on what we know now, the Cardinals have competition for that spot in the rotation, will want to create competition for that spot in the rotation, and Quintana will have a choice.
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All good questions that face the Cardinals this winter. I'm intrigued by the idea that maybe they don't look at his position in the field and instead look at his position in the lineup and go -- OK, if he's the leadoff hitter, now how do things move around that? The preference would be for the Cardinals to have him playing 2B or DH, obviously, and that would mean strong production from an outfield of Carlson, O'Neill, Nootbaar, Burleson, and perhaps Walker. That would mean that you'd have Gorman at the DH, Edman at SS. As they've shown this season, there are at-bats to be had for plenty of infielders/outfielders. The conversation is interesting to me if they look at what he could be in the lineup and then reverse-engineer.
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Those are possibilities, yes. The Cardinals plan to have Hudson start on Saturday in the doubleheader. That's the extent of the guarantee for him. Cabrera is not guaranteed a return if his performance doesn't earn it or the Cardinals, due to injury or performance, don't need him.
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You mentioned Walker earlier - AA season ends this weekend. Barring Springfield making the playoffs (not sure what the outlook is there?), do you envision them moving him to Memphis for the last couple weeks, or giving him some time and then having him head out to Arizona this fall? Both? You'd think they would be a bit protective of the amount of time he plays, given his youth and the last couple years' scheduling in general
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Rick Hummel reported that Walker will go from Class AA to the Arizona Fall League and that the Cardinals do not plan on moving him to Class AAA Memphis. I've not heard anything to change that plan, not recently. And there doesn't look like there's going to be a playoff team for him to join. Memphis is 15 1/2 games out. Springfield is six games out. That would be the Cardinals ideal scenario -- to have a playoff team for him to join at a higher level. I mean other than the majors.
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Gorman is better at turning the double play. Donovan appears to have just more experience with the range of the position/timing of the position. But everything that Gorman is still learning at that position he covers for with the arm strength, and that makes him a solid player there at the position. Probably side with the arm strength and double play turn in a close call.
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I'm not here to argue, but, you throwing the Stanton situation in the Ozuna deal is classic. We all know the reporting. He was never coming, but Cards had to do their " due diligence". They, you, me, Ozuna's wife knew Marcel wasn't taking a 1 year offer. C'mon stop it. And to be truthful, any of the other 10 yearly contending teams would do the Goldschmidt and Arenado deals respectfully as long they didn't have internal options of closely equal value. When franchises are worth 2-3 billion, a Goldy for 5yrs/130 Million is a smart investment. Not a risk.
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You are here to argue, clearly. And you're helping to make my point. No kidding, Ozuna was unlikely to take a one-year deal. That's my point. They cleared him off the books, and they had payroll to spend elsewhere.A franchise's value is not applicable in this discussion. Sorry. It's only worth what someone is will to sell it for. And since the DeWitt's weren't selling then what's it matter how much the franchise is worth.It matters how much revenue the franchise is actively making.And they're in the top third usually when it comes to revenue, and that is directly tied to payroll spending. And where in their recent trends suggests that they would fit an Ozuna extension, a Goldschmidt extension, and the Arenado trade until the umbrella of their post-pandemic spending? Or the Yelich extension.I think you're again missing my point -- the chain of events matter. That's how they're connected. The series of decisions the Cardinals made regarding their roster put them in a spot to trade for Goldschmidt and trade for Arenado (with a lot of help from Arenado pushing for that). It's possible Arenado still happens regardless of other moves because of the push Arenado made to become a Cardinal. But there's no guarantee that both of those deals happen.Finally, if you know the reporting on Stanton then you certainly know that the Marlins agreed to the deal with the Cardinals, and Stanton's agent advocated for him to consider, strongly consider, the Cardinals as a place to play. It would have been a surprise if he accepted it, sure. But this wasn't "due diligence." That's pricey due diligence because there was a moment Stanton had to say yes.His agent is also Arenado's agent.Just FYI.
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Thank you for doing the chats. I wanted to know what your thoughts are on the possibility of a dual MVP between Goldschmidt and Arenado. I realize that Goldy has been flirting with (and still may achieve) the triple crown, but Arenado is having a great season offensively and brings significant extra value defensively. Is it even possible to have a dual MVP like when Hernandez and Stargell did it 1979?
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It is. If there is a tie vote, they both are MVPs. It's hard to get tie with a 10-person ballot and 30 voters total. But it's possible. If the vote happened today, it would not surprise me if several ballots had Goldschmidt and Arenado at No. 1 and No. 2. A voter can completely defend that choice.
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Hi Derrick - I've been a BPIB listener since episode one, there is just so much that can be gained by listening to long form conversations. The recent episode with Girsch was my all-time favorite episode of the podcast. It's obvious that you have a great rapport with him but beyond that, it was just nice to hear someone at his level (in the room when big decisions are made) be so open and candid about the inner workings of the front office. Far too often in sports we get essentially non answers from GM's, mangers, etc... It seems like with Oli's candor and now this chat with Girsch that maybe the communication strategy has changed a bit. In the past you've often said watch what the Cardinals do, not what they say. Curious if you've noticed them as an organization being more candid and upfront recently? In any event, thanks again to you and Girsch for that great conversation.
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I think a lot of that comes from three things:1) So long Zoom. In person interviews are so much better and I think fans/viewers/readers can definitely see that. Plus, Marmol has resumed meeting with the writers away from the cameras, and so what you see there is a chance for the manager to pause, expand on thoughts, challenge writers in ways that don't always come across on camera when any pause in answering feels like forever and any answer feels permanent, with no time to elaborate. That's been a big thing for better understanding the team and his thought process -- those press meetings individually with Tv reporters and then scribes do that.2) Oli Marmol's approach. He can blunt. He likes talking baseball. (Shildt did, too, but that brings us back to Zoom.) We saw that quickly in spring training when he talked about a young pitcher getting his "teeth kicked in" during a spring training appearance. He quickly told us that he had not said anything to the reporters that he had not already said to the player, so it shouldn't be a surprise when he says it publicly.3) And, notably, the Cardinals have wanted to push in a modernized direction when it comes to making lineup decisions, pitching decisions, and acquisition decisions, and that has been happening over the past several years. Several within the organization realized that they did not handle the explanation of Shildt's firing well. Not at all. And they needed to be clearer in their moves, more expansive and candid in their explanations. Marmol has helped with that because he's the one who speaks so often and has articulated clearly how metrics influence his decisions for the lineup and with pitchers and so on and so on.I have wanted to put a conversation with Girsch on the podcast for awhile because it would give fans a chance to hear more from him outside of a press conference setup, and clearly quoting him in the coverage was not reaching all of the readers in the same way a podcast would.
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Here is the aforementioned podcast with the Cardinals' GM:
Cardinals GM Michael Girsch talks trades, challenges, championships expectations with BPIB - Best Podcast in Baseball
"Our fans want to win today. But our fans want to win every year," says Cardinals vice president/general manager Michael Girsch as he joins the Best Podcast in Baseball for the first time to discuss his rise to becoming the 13th GM in organization history and the expectations ownership sets for the club. Girsch, a native of Chicago, joined the Cardinals before the 2006 World Series championship season, worked his way up through the baseball operations structure, and became general manager in June 2017. He's had the position since. With St. Louis Post-Dispatch baseball writer and BPIB host Derrick Goold, Girsch offers insight into how trades are made at the deadline, how the Cardinals' pitching depth has come up lacking two years in a row, and how there's been a Hall of Famer on the field for every generation, and that's something ownership expects. Girsch also discusses his entry into baseball, finding a door that opened in the wake of Moneyball, and the surprises he found once inside the room where things really happen, and not observing from the spreadsheet of an consultant. The Best Podcast in Baseball, sponsored by Closets by Design, is a weekly production of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, StlToday.com, and Derrick Goold. -
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The Cardinals are going to audit their options, and those range from sticking with who they have, committing to Edman there, or looking to see if they go outside the organization and make a play for Trea Turner, or another free agent. Shortstop might be the most interesting offseason storyline for this team once November arrives.
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Didn't the Cards get Burelson as a compensation pick for Ozuna? If so it seems the trade is not yet settled. Does anyone know how bad the Voit Gallegos trade use to be? It seems the shoe is on the other foot for that trade so time will tell how bad the Ozuna trade was. Sorry for putting pressure on Burelson.
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Hey, D, thanks for the chat. Another reader referenced the Keith Hernandez trade, and maybe he's too young to remember it but ... that was NOT a trade where the Cardinals were looking for even value. Right or wrong, Herzog had come to believe that Hernandez was a cancer in the clubhouse and counterproductive to the team. He wanted to get rid of him for whatever he could get. You can like that trade or not, but it isn't something you could compare to the Ozuna deal, right?
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When Albert Pujols first broke in, there was some controversy about his real age. My recollection is that some thought he was really older than listed, but it may have been younger. That was a long time ago. Was that ever settled for certain? I can't imagine that he's really older than 42, considering what he has achieved this year.
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The late Joe Strauss and others of us at the Post-Dispatch years ago reported that Albert Pujols had to provide documents to affirm his identity and vitals like his age when he became a U. S. citizen and also there was a time when players had to provide those documents to report to spring training. You'll recall that several players saw their ages jump several years as the documents required and investigations brought more scrutiny. Miguel Tejada, as a member of the Astros, acknowledged he was two years older than he claimed. That was in 2008. Pujols' birthdate did not change.
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Performance of others, honestly. The Cardinals want to see Burleson in that role -- in part because he's left-handed and so they know what to think about him for the postseason. Nootbaar, Donovan -- also playing well, and also left-handed options. So it's the roster ahead of him, not necessarily anything he's not doing.There's also this: Pujols. He's getting these right-handed DH ABs.