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I am NOT suggesting this - but if we are not trying to win this year with Goldy and Arenado playing like they are and Molina and Pujols in their last year ... I wonder how much we would get to trade Arenado - Goldy - Bader (3 gold glovers) ... I think we would get a massive amount of talent! Again, I would much rather be buyers and win it knowing we have the best 1b and the best 3b in baseball but the Angels have proven you can have 2 of the best players in baseball with Trout & Shohei and it simply isn't close to being good enough. You need a solid team up and down the lineup. Again, I don't want to do it but wonder what we would get for them?

by Faus 7/29/2022 7:20:00 PM
You will never find out because the Cardinals, unlike the NL Central rivals, refuse to deliberately enter prolonged down cycles in the name of rebuilding.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:20:41 PM
Of the young cost controllable talent that the Cardinals have at the big league level, who is untouchable in your opinion? And after seeing some of the high end prospects play at the major league level, who would you be most willing to include in a trade?

by Dave 7/29/2022 7:20:50 PM
Jordan Walker has a chance to be Juan Soto some day, so trading him would be dumb. Maybe he washes out, but he has the tools to be special and the club should see if that materializes. Fans have whined for years about the team's inability to develop a power hitter. Nolan Forman could be that guy and Walker could really be that guy.
Of the current young guys, Juan Yepez is blocked at first base and he's an adventure in the outfield. He can hit, though, so he should have value.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:24:00 PM
I don't discount Mo's work across the organization but he has lost his fastball in free agency. The trail of mistakes is over a half-decade long, this last year being an unmitigated disaster. It is time for DeWitt to reassign that responsibility to someone new... maybe even a fresh face from the outside.

by South City Steve 7/29/2022 7:24:13 PM
The Cardinals don't place much emphasis on free agency or spend much of their budget there. It's a much bigger priority to fans than Bill DeWitt Jr. He sees free agency has hugely inefficient.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:25:27 PM
Holding up the 2006 as the ideal of “just get in and see what happens” has always bristled. That team was largely the same team that had been the class of the NL in 2004, 2005. They continued with a great early start to year, injury bug hit, rough August & September. As a result, their overall record was terrible. But, they got those guys back in time to be ready to go for playoffs. Unfortunately, a narrative that wasn’t ever really true came about because of the overall record. And somehow this cemented the approach that would take over in years to come. They had assembled a team with big name players, guys that were truly great, the roster was built to win. Not to just compete. Not a roster of wish-for-the-best that the season will breaks right for nearly everyone.

by JB 7/29/2022 7:27:45 PM
Yes, well, Anthony Reyes and Jeff Weaver were quite the one-two punch for that postseason pitching staff. Both won World Series games. Nothing defines greatness like Anthony Reyes and Jeff Weaver.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:30:01 PM
Is Army done dealing? Krug, Leddy,Scandella, Perunovich, Rosen, Mikkola 6 lefty D for 3 spots? Not sure what you're talking about "nobody but Rosen for depth"?? You're brain is still on vacation!

by Roy Hobbs 7/29/2022 7:32:59 PM
I meant depth beyond the NHL roster. Hence his need to load up the NHL roster.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:33:27 PM
What are the chances that the Cardinals get MadBum? I've always liked him and if Mo wants to make a playoff run he would be the pitcher you would want. What would they have to give up to get him? Thanks again Bobo.

by Jimmy 7/29/2022 7:33:38 PM
I have to believe that MadBum is lower hanging fruit than other pitching options, if the Cardinals are willing to take on money.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:34:07 PM
If the Cards acquire 2 starters, does Pallante go back to the pen? That would help middle relief. But then they would have a decision to make when Matz/Flaherty come back. So I guess they get one starter and a middle reliever.

by Tall Sally 7/29/2022 7:34:26 PM
Are Matz and Flaherty coming back this year? We have no idea. As for Pallante, yes, he could really help the bullpen. His skill set is better suited there. He might build more velocity in that role his lack of secondary stuff wouldn't be as glaring.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:35:49 PM
Good is the enemy of great within the Cardinals c-suite. Long running goodness eventually gets dismissed when it never converts to even a deep playoff run. I think in a lot of fans' eyes a quick playoff exit is worse than not making the playoffs because at least the latter would have a chance to initiate real change. The former keeps the status quo, which is how the team arrived at where they are now.

by South City Steve 7/29/2022 7:37:12 PM
You say that, but the Cardinals' attendance figures suggest that consistently good teams sell.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:37:19 PM
Jeff in your opinion has Edmundo Sosa had enough opportunity this season to show what the Cardinals can and cannot count on him for? It seems his shiny star has lost some luster. It can’t be a coincidence that DeJong shows up in DC. Can it?

by Arnold 7/29/2022 7:37:43 PM
Sosa is out of options, so the Cardinals are ready to trade him.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:38:08 PM
In fairness to the Ozuna trade we made ... he was an RBI machine hit for power and was a Gold glover. On paper it was a huge plus for us. Did anyone know he had a bum arm and couldn't throw or would get in trouble with the law or have a problem getting to work on Time?

by Faus 7/29/2022 7:38:25 PM
The team knew about the bad arm. I can't speak to his character references.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:38:53 PM
I agree with Dave G, don't trade prime prospects on pitching unless it's top drawer - Lopez or Montas - otherwise use secondary prospects and/or surplus players to develop some stop-gap measures.

That being stated, they have more pressure on the them to make a major mover based upon Arrenado and Marmol's comments and the last year of the big three together.

Should be interesting. Put me down for Yepez and some secondary prospects for Lopez... That makes you better this year and for a few more!

by Saytreykid 7/29/2022 7:39:22 PM
Sure, the Cardinals want to send Alber Pujols and Yadier Molina out a winner. And they are mindful about Nolan Arenado's opt-out. But this team wants to win every year, Their consistent success makes them less openly desperate than, say, the Padres, but the goal is still to win.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:40:49 PM
I know Arenado is a team player and has expressed he wants to stay but I imagine if he committed NOW to staying it would certainly free up some possibilities. Why would he not do that?

by Faus 7/29/2022 7:41:37 PM
These opt-outs are exercised at the end of a season for a reason. Lots can happen, good or bad, as a campaign winds down.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:42:06 PM
"We have all known going into this season we needed more Starting pitching. Not just arms but studs who can shut things down. But I don't envy how difficult it would be to understand contracts, years, talent, chemistry. What is more likely? Big trade with Washington? Big trade with the Angels. Lots of trades with multiple teams - or do nothing?

Faus"

Mo, is this you?

by EP 7/29/2022 7:42:26 PM
Unlikely.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:42:34 PM
Does Mo or the GM ever confer with Cardinal player leaders on potential trades based off of chemistry?

by Faus 7/29/2022 7:42:38 PM
Sure. Typically managers are draw into the conversation and players can have input, either directly or indirectly through the manager.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:44:23 PM
The Athletic did an article on the top 10 goalie prospects. Hofer DID NOT make the list. We put all those years into developing Husso he finally gets really good and we let him walk? Sign Leddy even though we now have 6 lefty D men under contract. Army is pushing me to the Coyotes at least they listen to me. Bill Armstrong talked to me for 15 minutes in the Gila River hallway last year. He's sticking to the new stadium sign Austin Matthews plan!! Let's go YOTES!!!

by Roy Hobbs 7/29/2022 7:44:46 PM
Dude, you have to let of Husso. He's gone, He's not coming back.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:45:12 PM
Did you see where the Gov Newsom is not happy with UCLA going to the Big 10? That it is hurting Cal Berk and leaving them with a lower income from the Pac 12. Don't you think he has more to worry about than his precious Cal Berk?

by thowardmax 7/29/2022 7:45:18 PM
Yes, he has more to worry about. And he has zero pull in college sports.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:45:37 PM
by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:45:49 PM
Happy Friday Commissioner Gordon. Greetings from the Mouse House in steamy Florida.

I see John Kindberg signed a one year deal with the Ducks. Do you foresee our old friend Nazem Kadri having to take a one year deal with say Buffalo, the only team left with cap space? It seems Kadri took too long to decide on a deal and wanted too many years. Your thoughts oh wise one.

by Barry - Blues Fan in Orlando 7/29/2022 7:46:53 PM
Some team may ditch the cap space needed for Kadri, but, yes, he aimed too high and now he may have to take a short-term deal. The music stopped and he's still standing.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:47:32 PM
You think the Cardinals will try and see what the Angels want for Trout? Or you think the Cardinals are tapped out on big contracts with Arenado and Goldy?

by thowardmax 7/29/2022 7:47:39 PM
Trout has a chronic back condition that could diminish the rest of his career. Also, he can't pitch.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:48:08 PM
The "i don't see how blank player fits with the cardinals" comments drive me crazy. I saw it earlier concerning Josh Bell .302 with .877 ops. That plays The Cardinals leading DH options don't have an OPS over .750 The cardinals get stuck on who they have instead of getting a good player when available. They did it last offseason with Paul Dejong they couldve gotten one of the top SS available but no Dejong is going to turn it around and be who we think he is. OK great you're telling me you can't use 2 good players? IF Dejong is crushing it you don't also want Correa who's crushing it? They need to accumulate good players instead of hoping O'neill can stay healthy and repeat his stats or that Dejong can be the guy he was 5 years ago. They waited 6 years for Wong to be the player they wanted then let him walk in free agency. which i'm ok with but they set there for 5 years telling us the great player he was going to be when they could have signed someone better more consistent. sorry for the rant

by Brandon 7/29/2022 7:48:38 PM
If team is going to spend assets to get a player, then it's best to fill the biggest need. Adding a first baseman who can DH to a team that desperately needs pitching doesn't seem like it's worth it. When healthy, this team has a lot of guys who can DH.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:49:51 PM
Corallary questions to all the pitching trade question: Who is the next Cardinal ace now and for the future? Dont think you can count on Flaherty or Reyes at this point...Liberatore, Graceffo, Hence are years away.

The Cards don't sign free agent aces, so he had to come via trade. If you don't do it now, the offseason would work.

The Cards top prospect will not lose value over the next few months, but who has "peak value" right now since the young players are starting to regress a bit due to a number of factors. i.e. who can you trade high on now because the Cards FO rarely trades players when their value is high/highest.

by Saytreykid 7/29/2022 7:51:35 PM
Jordan Walker has peak value, but there are exactly zero true aces in the pitching market right now. There are some decent arms, but no team changers. As for Graceffo, I wouldn't be totally shocked to see him in the majors this year.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:51:40 PM
What AL West team needs a back up SS, per the rumors for Sosa? Astros, Mariners seems to be teh most likely given their status as playoff contenders but I thought Diaz was still with Astros but I guess his defense is suspect

by Saytreykid 7/29/2022 7:52:12 PM
Can't help with the Edmundo Sosa watch. Maybe the Rays believe he is another Randy Arozarena.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:52:47 PM
With pitching as fragile as it is I wouldn't trade for anyone who hasn't already had Tommy John and recovered well.

by Ed 7/29/2022 7:53:00 PM
And you have shoulder injuries to fret about, as well as non-pitching injuries like the one Matz suffered.

by Jeff Gordon 7/29/2022 7:53:41 PM