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I read where Wainright has the most Or at the top of Cy Young votes for people that have never one…

He and/or Carpenter deserved one but did not get it due to some pinhead voters thinking that strikeouts were more important than wins, innings pitched and wins in a pennant drive…

by Saytreykid 12/30/2022 9:29:53 PM
Adam came close, yes. But how many seasons did he pitch at that level and how many seasons was he hurt or just pitching OK to good?

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:30:31 PM
Jeff, thank you for doing these chats. If you could cover the beat for any other NHL franchise, which team would you choose and why?

by Elton Johnny IV 12/30/2022 9:31:10 PM
At this point in life, I couldn't see moving just for a job. But if I did have to pick a city to work in, it would be Vancouver. What a city! I couldn't afford to live there, but the scenery to and from my distant hovel would be awesome.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:33:16 PM
Gordo - any way you skin it this team could spend more than it does. Being 16th in payroll is embarrassing. But it's the fans' fault. We lower the bar for the team and they gladly accept it and step on our heads in the process. There is always a reason they can't get better players, too expensive, too many prospects, etc. At the same time Dewitt basically dares fans to boycott games to force significant change. We're lemmings, he knows it, and he preys on our loyalty. He didn't for the first 15 years he owned the team but now he has it on cruise control.

by Tackleberry 12/30/2022 9:33:42 PM
This franchise was heading the wrong direction in the latter part of the previous decades. Fans pretend otherwise, but the organization is in better shape than it's been in a long time. If it needs to promote prospects, it can do that. If it needs to trade prospects, it can do that, The only bad money on the books is for Paul DeJong, and it's not THAT bad. If the team needs to take on another big contract, it can do that -- especially with Adam Wainwright coming off the books after this season.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:36:30 PM
When a huge part of your off-season involves your team not re-signing Carpenter, you know that your team has not done enough

by Winston Raggs 12/30/2022 9:36:45 PM
Are you talking about the Yankees?

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:37:09 PM
It seems all the fan base can do is wine these days. In my lifetime the Cardinals have gone 18 3 15 24 and 5 between WS wins. If you look back at those teams you have to have some internal magic whether it is hitting pitching or both. The Dodgers Braves Padres and Mets all had larger payrolls than the Cardinals. The logic of the fan base on these chats doesn’t make sense. How is Helsley’s broken finger any different than Coleman’s tarp injury?

by JWHelp 12/30/2022 9:37:40 PM
Also, how did Helsley's finger prevent Arenado and Goldschmidt from hitting?

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:38:23 PM
Who says the next owner of the Cards isn’t going to move them to Nashville or Oklahoma City? Rich people can do whatever they want.

by JWHelp 12/30/2022 9:38:25 PM
True. But only a moron would move the Cardinals out of this market.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:38:59 PM
Sorry to be a bummer, JG, but I do not this season going well for Waino. I think we are going to watch him fight it every step of the way against good teams and we will be holding our breath every time he pitches against a crap team at home, hoping he gets closer to those six wins so he can go out in style... but before the season is done.

by Winston Raggs 12/30/2022 9:39:10 PM
It could turn out that way. But the Cardinals had to give Wainwright that chance, given all that he did for the organization. That is the culture here, and that culture convinced Goldschmidt to extend his contract here and Arenado to stick around.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:40:17 PM
Gordo, 13-year contracts are insane and I don't care if DeWitt doesn't want to play in that market for great players. But he needs to adopt the Verlander short-term- high AAV strategy then, because it is one or the other. It isn't neither. Neither gets you "good" players... who don't make it out of the Wild Card.

by South City Steve 12/30/2022 9:40:40 PM
He has some high AAV guys with Arenado and Goldschmidt. And I'm sure the Cardinals will have more down the road -- but not a bunch of them at one time.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:41:31 PM
BoBo could you please explain he Trevor Bauer situation with a little detail? Keep in mind I'm ONLY asking. Trevor Bauer got suspended but there wasn't enough evidence for the Police to charge him with a crime? Then he goes to arbitration and gets roughly a third cut from the suspension? Is there an explanation of what particular rule he broke?

by Jimmy 12/30/2022 9:41:56 PM
He broke the domestic violence policy, which does not require a criminal conviction.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:42:38 PM
Gordo,regarding the Cardinals announcing open position,could you give us your opinion of a few guys that you'd like to see come here? Thanks.

by Marco 12/30/2022 9:42:40 PM
I have nothing for you on that one. I don't see a lot of broadcasters of other teams. I'd like to see Bob Ramsey get a shot because I know he would do a great job. As for judging guys currently doing it for other teams, I dunno.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:43:59 PM
Keeping a bench player who can’t hit is literally the worst thing to do in this era of bullpen relief. That makes zero sense. The infield defense already has 4 GG’s standing out there.

by Ryan P 12/30/2022 9:44:04 PM
That is a reasonable position to take. I always argue that in today's every position player on the roster should be of starter quality, given the way games are managed now. While I could see DeJong sticking around as a defensive replacement if he doesn't hit, I'd argue for another bat instead.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:45:46 PM
Thanks for the chat, Gordo!
I would argue that Bryan Reynolds can "play" center field like Jose Martinez used to "play" right field and left field. (Per Fangraphs, of the 36 qualified center fielders over the past 4 years, only five have been worse with the glove than Reynolds.)

Question, Bobo: If all starting rotation candidates are healthy & effective in Spring Training, does Hudson become the MLB swingman, or does he go to Triple-A to keep the stead starter's workload, or Other?

by Brian Jordan was twice as good as Bo Jackson 12/30/2022 9:46:02 PM
Ouch! A Jose Martinez outfield reference! As for Hudson, I would see him as the long reliever waiting for somebody to get hurt. Somebody always gets hurt and there is not much immediate help behind Hudson at No. 6.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:47:33 PM
Everybody seems to think that Gorman can't play 2nd well enough,but I disagree,and he hits well enough compared to others.Am I right about him?

by Marco 12/30/2022 9:47:43 PM
He is OK at second base, with a terrific arm for relays. But with the shift going away Gorman's lack of effective range to his backhand would be problematic

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:49:12 PM
As a business guy, I have read quite a bit about the Sinclair situation and this supposed collapse. While they are losing a bit of money right now, which is mostly related to interest on the debt. This company is big, has value, it just might have overpaid. So there might be a haircut in a bankruptcy organization, but, the revenue is not going to go to zero. Maybe 20% haircut. So, if the Cards are making $65M a year on the TV rights deal, which is what has been reported, maybe it drops to $50-55M a year. That does not seem catastrophic.

by ICCFIM 12/30/2022 9:49:48 PM
This assumes that the company can make the direct-to-customer move work. And if it does, great. But streaming is a jumbled marketplace right now and there is a lot to sort out.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:51:57 PM
How does the pitching strike calling technology factor in the sizes of different players? I can't tell a difference on TV at home, but it's different from edeman to goldy, correct?

by CuJo 12/30/2022 9:52:05 PM
The electronic strike is personalized for each hitter.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:52:24 PM
To the guy who wants to give Tommy Edman 160MM for 8 years... nothing *remotely* like that would be required to keep him. He's going to make 4MM this year, and roughly; 15-17 more combined over the '24 & '25 seasons. Thus an 8-year, 160MM offer is in effect five years and 140MM. That's nuts. Especially for a glove-first guy who'll be on the wrong side of 30 by then. Tommy would likely accept 6 years and 60-65MM right now. So that's what the Cards should offer -- with a club option at the end.

by Brian Jordan was twice as good as Bo Jackson 12/30/2022 9:52:47 PM
That is putting Tommy in the correct context. He is a really good player, but playing shortstop every day can take a toll on a max effort guy with his body type. There are still a lot of smart baseball people out there who see him as a super-utility type.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 9:55:04 PM
Given the strength NYM Atl, and Phil and weakness of Miami and Wash, do any of the top three win more than 100 games? What about the NL West? Cards could/should win the Central but still face a wild card team with shut down pitching. If they trade for their own shut down pitcher, who should they target?

by Cards fan exiled in DC 12/30/2022 9:55:52 PM
For all the talk about shutdown pitching in this chat, the trend is headed toward starters tag-teaming with multiple relievers. That becomes specially true in the playoffs, where a starter might start looking over his shoulder during the second turn of the batting order. Maybe a $40 million starter gets a third trip through the order while the other side is on its fourth pitcher by then,.
A lot of teams see the answer as possessing a bulletproof bullpen. That is certainly a more cost-effective approach. And the reliever landscape changes significantly year to ye

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 10:00:37 PM
Is Moises Gomez going to get a shot? Power like that, even with swing and miss, should get a shot.

by fumblinbumblin 12/30/2022 10:00:40 PM
Eventually, sure, he could get a look if he can refine his hitting approach some. If he shows enough in the spring that could make trading from the surplus easier.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 10:01:37 PM
Any NY's resolutions? Any that will last less than 4-5 weeks (like mine)?

by fumblinbumblin 12/30/2022 10:01:40 PM
Quit eating the fudge and other chocolate candies my daughter's mother-in-law sent us. I've got to be up five pounds this week.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 10:02:30 PM
When will tickets go on sale for single game STL City?

by fumblinbumblin 12/30/2022 10:03:25 PM
I believe that is Feb. 2.

by Jeff Gordon 12/30/2022 10:03:37 PM
Gordo

I like the idea of trading from excess - once Walker shows he's capable of making the team out of spring training, will Yepez be avaialble to trade to the Marlins for Lopez or Lazardo?

We need to load up on good, young power pitchers if we want to get in the playoffs and succeed...

I like the idea of trading for a good young pitcher vs taking a chance on Sale or some other veteran bouncing back to form, unless you are talking about DeJong only...save assets like Yepez or Burleson for young pitching that will sustain success and help in the future playoff series...

by Saytreykid 12/30/2022 10:03:55 PM