Welcome back to another Mizzou chat, my fellow chatters. Let's get this started right away. I'll be here for two hours or so.
I haven't seen both play in person recently, but I'm willing to say Jontay Porter is more developed than Tilmon in some ways. Either way, Missouri would be fortunate to have one or both this season. From talking to Jontay I get the sense he's very conflicted about the decision. It's best for his game to reclass and get started working with and against college players. I think he's mature enough physically and mentally to make the leap. On the other side, he's still a kid, and part of being a kid is getting to experience your senior year in high school. And part of being a senior in high school who happens to be an elite national recruit is all the fun stuff that goes along with that: the all-star games, the national accolades. He would be passing on all of that and sharing the spotlight (again) with his brother if he comes to Mizzou this year. I know he has said his decision is independent of what happens with Tilmon but if for some reason Tilmon isn't in the works for 2017-18 at Mizzou, I suspect that will influence Jontay's decision.
Not if Missouri only adds one more player for the upcoming season. Personally, I think it's a bad look if MU would run off VanLeer. In-state player. Son of an in-state high school head coach. SEC All-Academic honoree who gets straight As, never gets in trouble or causes a problem for anyone. Great teammate, model student-athlete. Has he produced enough on the court? Not consistently. But it sends the wrong signal if VanLeer is the player the staff targets to transfer - unless he wants to leave on his own.
Outside of the Super Bowl against the Broncos, he's had an underwhelming career. He's just not an ideal edge speed rusher, not at 275 pounds. He's better suited as an inside rusher who can match up against slower and less athletic guards. He doesn't seem to get past the better, more athletic edge blockers. Carolina rarely let him rush from inside. New England lets its defenders do what they do best, so I think you'll see him set the edge and get some looks inside. If Belichick can't find a way to get more out of him, I'm not sure who can.
Shane Ray will get more reps with the retirement of DeMarcus Ware, but I'll go with Markus Golden. He's on his way to becoming a real star in the desert. I think Harris will have a good NFL career, but he'll be in a time share this season in Miami. I'd be surprised if he doesn't put together a long, solid career.
My thoughts are starting lineups change from game to game and especially from November to March. Coaches don't really care about starting lineups. They care about rotations. This team should have some versatility at guard. Phillips is a natural point guard but I thought at times he played better off the ball last year. If Harris is ready to play immediately, Martin will have some options with Harris/Geist/Phillips at the point and Phillips/Roberts/VanLeer/Geist playing off the ball. Barnett and Porter Jr. can play the 3 and the 4 depending on matchups. Puryear can play the 4 or 5. Reed is a 5. Smith, depending on his recovery, can play the 4 or 5. I haven't seen Kemp play in person. Is he a 3 or 4? Will he still be on the team? Hard to say for sure. The additions will give Martin more options than Anderson had with his rosters.
There's some thought that he'll be harder to sign than some of the others because of the caliber of offers he picked up earlier in the process and some comments he's made about the schools he likes most, namely Ohio State. It's still relatively early in the process. Wait and see.
The early read on Kemp was he needed to get stronger before he was ready to mix it up at this level. Smith is coming off a major knee injury - not just ACL but meniscus tear, too. They'll have 13 scholarship players but you won't see 13 players in the regular rotation. The team won't start heavy 5-on-5 workouts until later this summer, so I'm not sure Martin has a complete feel for what he's got on this roster quite yet.
Less than six wins - because that will hurt his chances to sign other players they'll need to replenish the roster. You don't HAVE to sign in-state recruits to have a good team. But you have to find quality players somewhere. Three straight losing seasons for this program will make Odom's sales pitch that much more difficult.
Knox will make his announcement sometime between today and Sunday. I don't expect that to be Missouri. I haven't been told by any credible sources that he's officially eliminated Missouri, but that doesn't mean he hasn't. Tilmon is still a mystery. I'm told Missouri expects to add him at some point, but it's really difficult to get a clear read on that situation. Porter, as I noted earlier, is still up in the air - and could be for a while.
Both is possible if another current player leaves the roster.
Just because it's taking longer than some fans would like doesn't mean it's shady. The spring signing period goes through May 17 - and even then, there's no deadline for him to sign as long as he shows up for classes in the fall before it's too late to enroll. Not every recruit can hop on a plane or make a two-hour drive for a visit with his family sooner than later. I don't think it's a matter of Tilmon getting media attention - because he hasn't done any interviews, and those around him aren't talking either. There could be some indecision on his part or some other influential people in his life who have different thoughts on where he should go. There are six players among the Rivals top 42 that haven't committed or signed anywhere yet. They'll all pick a school at some point.
Another point on Tilmon: This is not that uncommon for East St. Louis recruits. They rarely do interviews, and their recruiting situations are usually unclear for a long period of time. I'm not sure it's by design to have so much uncertainty around their decisions, but that's usually the case.
I'm not sure he's a lock for the first round, but he'll have a big decision to make if he has a strong year. He's expected to be ready for camp in August. The staff might be cautious with him early in the year, but he was doing everything in the spring other than full-contact tackling drills. When healthy, he has that unique blend of power and quickness at the D-tackle position. He's got a great chance to be a high draft pick at some point.
I'm not sure I'd call this a great question, but there's no easy answer. Scherer's older brother has gotten into the MMA game, and I'm sure Mike could deliver a beating in the cage, too. I'll go with Juggernaut only because I'd have a better chance to run away from him until the match is over. I'd like to think both would take it easy on me.
Well, thank you. We're all on the same team here but I appreciate the kind words.
I sometimes flip on a movie I haven't seen during the chat and for some reason went with Suicide Squad. I have no idea what's happening.
Scholarships are one-year agreements. Coaches can take them away at any time. But they're usually more delicate with those conversations. If they don't think someone on the roster will play the role the player expects or wants, they'll make that clear and help them transfer. It happens every year with football teams, but it seems to capture more interest/intrigue with hoops, especially after a coaching change.
Maybe, but there are parts of his game he needs to clean up. And Moore will be the first to admit it. He needs to catch the ball more consistently and secure it better once he makes the catch. He's got NFL talent and size and speed. If he cleans up his game this year and gets the most out of his ability, he'll be first-team All-SEC and an early-round draft pick.
There are four who aren't yet at Mizzou. Coban is the next oldest boy. He just finished his freshman year in high school and will be a 2020 recruit. A little early to know if he'll be a high-profile recruit - but he's got the genes.
It's hard to know for sure based on Martin's track record because he's never coached somewhere long enough to fully develop his recruits. I don't think it's fair to say past MU coaches didn't develop talent. The biggest problem was so few players stuck around long enough to be developed. Ryan Rosburg got better under Anderson. But before RR you have to go back to Laurence Bowers as a player who was in the program at least four years.
Not quite a dozen signed as UDFA. More like seven. Either way, I think having only one player drafted is more a reflection of the talent Mizzou has recruited AND developed since 2012. The 2012-14 recruiting classes had major attrition. Last year's senior class was smaller than usual. Producing only one draft pick - and not having a single senior in the draft - reflects what we've seen on the field the last two years: 5-7 and 4-8. As for next year, I'll touch on this more on the blog Friday, but I think a handful of seniors are facing pivotal years in terms of draft stock: Tyler Howell, J'Mon Moore, Marcell Frazier, especially. Beckner and Drew Lock will have decisions to make if they have strong 2017 seasons.