Mizzou chat with Dave Matter

Mizzou chat with Dave Matter

Bring your Tigers football and basketball questions, and talk to Mizzou beat writer Dave Matter in a live chat starting at 11 a.m. Thursday.




    Hello, chatters. Much to discuss today in the universe of Mizzou sports. Bowl possibilities being at the top of the list, I presume. Let's get to it.
    Thanks for the chat. Early in this chat I want to say that I am a proud Mizzou fan and felt the football team did have a great season. People can criticize the coaching, but we could have easily went 6-6 or 5-7 with a couple of breaks going the other way. While I want national championships and conference titles, realistically, going 8-4 is something we should applaud. We played hard and with excitement. Nothing to be ashamed of. We need to remember there will be a down season or two, but the goal is to be a team others respect. I think Missouri has the respect of our opposing coaches, maybe not with their fan bases.
    Good points. Missouri is a couple plays away from being 10-2 - and a couple plays away from being 6-6. Like I've said for weeks, 8-4 feels right for this team if you take the long view and consider how they were playing in September and October. That said, on a neutral field, I'd take this Missouri team against just about every team in the SEC other than Bama, Georgia and LSU. (I know A&M beat LSU, but the Aggies needed some very fortunate breaks and officiating decisions for that to happen.) Considering MU was 4-8 two years ago, fans should be very happy with 8-4 - considering the investments other SEC East teams have made in the last 12 months to improve their programs.
    I haven't seen a single projection listing Purdue to the Music City bowl as your tweet suggested.
  • Both Stewart Mandel at The Athletic and Brett McMurphy at Stadium have projected Purdue to the Music City Bowl. Mandel says it's nearly a lock that Purdue will play in Nashville. 
    Missouri is well aware of the possibility that the Music City could land Purdue, and that would almost certainly put Mizzou in the Liberty Bowl against a Big 12 team. That said, Music City has other options, both from the Big Ten and the ACC. 
     
    Before we get a lot of bowl questions, let's review what's been reported here and elsewhere:
    The Gator Bowl president Rick Catlett is on the record - with both The State newspaper and Jacksonville radio - saying his bowl is only considering Texas A&M and South Carolina for its SEC team. Technically, it's the SEC that decides which SEC team plays in which of the Pool of Six bowls, but those decisions are made in consultation with both the schools and the bowls. Schools give the league a top-three list of their preferred bowls within the Pool of Six. Missouri would very much like to play in Jacksonville, but unless the Gator president is talking out of turn - and the SEC overrules the bowl's wishes, which seems unlikely given his candor in these interviews - then Mizzou doesn't seem headed to the Gator. 
    That leaves the Music City and Liberty Bowl. The Music City is against the Big Ten or ACC. A lot of projections have Wisconsin or Michigan State headed to Nashville. Now there's some reports that it will be Purdue instead. If it's Purdue, I can't imagine the bowls, the two leagues or the schools would like a rematch from a game played two months ago - and 12 months before that. 
    In the Liberty Bowl, you're looking at a New Year's Eve matchup against Oklahoma State, maybe Baylor, maybe TCU. Those aren't sexy matchups but all very winnable games for Missouri. 
    Dave appreciate your effort. But we still have no answers on Santos and D Smith. Those 2 would make a world of difference to this team
    Also from your tweet your indicating that the Liberty Bowl is where we will be. Care to opine .
    Here's what Martin said about Santos on Monday: He's doing some individual skill work but he hasn't been cleared to be on the floor in a practice setting. "I would imagine if he stays on the floor in the next week or two I’d like to think he’ll be on the floor (for practices.)" 
    As for Dru Smith, there's no update because there's no change to his status. Evansville has not cooperated with his eligibility waiver, and unless that changes - and given the season is three weeks old, there's no reason to expect it to change - he'll sit out this season. 
     
    Dave, riddle me this, When is COMO the Friday of Thanksgiving NOT:
    (a) empty of students
    (b)Miserable weather-cold-rainy-icy-snowing
    (c)deer season.
    (d)all of the above.
    I understand the announced crowd of 50K was more like 30K (even with CBO purchasing 5K tickets) How embarrassing for this to be on national TV.
    Move this game alternating between KCMO and STL when its a Mizzou home game. Open the season (alternately)between STL & KCMO when the hawgs host this game. That way the season (alternately) begins and ends the next year in either KCMO and STL. Build your brand, reward your alums, create interest in your season. Happy that Lock went out on a win, just wish it was either in STL or KCMO.
  • You're never going to convince me that Mizzou should EVER play SEC games away from Columbia. You really think Mizzou fans would sell out the Dome in St. Louis or Arrowhead in KC for a game against Arkansas? No way. Both places would be half-empty, at best. If 7-4 Missouri is playing 4-7 Arkansas, you think St. Louis fans want to leave drive four hours for a "home game" the day after Thanksgiving? That makes absolutely no sense.
    If the final game of the season had championship stakes - as it did in both 2013 and 2014 - and the game was moved to St Louis or KC, fans on the opposite side of the state would be irate. Trust me, so would the head coach. Imagine if in 2014 when Missouri had to beat Arkansas at home to clinch the East, Mike Alden would have to explain to Pinkel that the game in Columbia on Black Friday - the stadium was at capacity at 71,168 -  that instead of playing on his home field in the middle part of the state, one of the most important games in team history was moving to St. Louis in a dilapidated NFL stadium? That would not be a pleasant conversation. 
  • Mike Smith with the quick edits! How often do you have to clean up comments before posting them yourself Mr. Matter?
    There's always some profanity and trolling in the chat each week. I'm pretty numb to it.
    I wholeheartedly agree with Mark Cunningham's comment. I am proud of the Tigers and think that Barry is doing something right because this team is exciting to watch. I think some Mizzou fans and people in general look for things to criticize instead of things to be thankful for.
    Percentage chances of getting to the Outback or Gator Bowls? Just by name alone, aren't those considered more prestigious games than Music City or Liberty or (ugh) Belk Bowl?
    Outback: Zero
    Gator: Less than 5 percent. 
    When the bowl president goes on the record to say they're only considering two schools and Missouri isn't one of those two schools, you can probably cancel Jacksonville plans.
    Based on history, reputation and weather, yes, those two Florida bowls are generally considered to be better bowls. But I've always said that beauty is in the eye of the beholder with bowl games. If you get a good matchup or a town that actually embraces the bowl then it can be a great experience. 
    For example, nobody in Houston last year knew there was a bowl game happening. I'm not sure the folks who ran the hotel where most of the media stayed realized there was a bowl in town. 
    In 2006, Mizzou went to the Sun Bowl and El Paso and the bowl organizers put on a great show all week because it's a game that means a lot to the community. 
    I was just looking at the Mens basketball schedule. Maybe I am wrong, but I think we are in for a long season. Our conference schedule is stacked, and outside a couple non-conference games, this looks tough. What are reasonable expectations for this season? Obviously they will play better, but how many wins are you predicting, or willing to expect. Thanks for the Chats as always!
  • I would say a .500 finish is the ceiling. Things aren't as bad as they were in the Kim Anderson years, but the talent and depth isn't near what it was last season - and the league is stronger from top to bottom. Illinois and Xavier aren't great, but Missouri is going to struggle offensively against most teams with even marginal talent. 
    KenPom's projections have MU going winless on the road in the SEC. MU has to capitalize on home games. I don't expect them to win Sunday vs. UCF. 
  • Do you believe the Mizzou women's basketball team will finish in the top give in the SEC?
  • Top five? This doesn't look like an SEC contender right now. We knew they wouldn't have much size, but when they're not shooting well, I'm not sure they have the athleticism to hang with the best teams on their schedule. Turnovers have been a problem, too. They bounced back from the Michigan loss and took down a usually good Duke team, but the SEC is loaded as usual. They can't afford any more losses to mid-major teams before league play begins.
  • Do you know if the Tiger team has a preference on which bowl they hope they get invited to? From a fan's perspective, I would like for it to be within driving distance, but more importantly, I want them to get invited to the bowl that shows the most respect for what they have accomplished this year.
    Missouri wanted one of the Florida bowls. If not, then they'd be happy with the Music City. It's a good town, would be against a compelling opponent and fans could drive there. Mizzou wouldn't complain publicly about the Liberty, but after an 8-4 finish, there would be some disappointment if that was the location. Fans can still get there easily, but it's not as much of an attractive place for a few vacation days compared to Nashville. Mizzou fans always travel well to Nashville. Plus, the Liberty Bowl matchup would be against an unranked an unappealing Big 12 team. 
    To play devil's advocate here, why would the SEC and the bowls reward MU with a flashier bowl in a place that would require fans to fly - after the head coach had to buy 5,500 tickets to get fans to attend a home game. This is the time of year when Mizzou's fan support problem becomes costly. The league and the bowls want to sell tickets. The difference between 8-4 and 7-5 is marginal when you're talking about making money off ticket sales. The MU fan base isn't what it was in 2013 and 2014. The attendance figures reflect that.  
    Do you think Odom has any interest in pursuing Jeff Thomas?
    I highly doubt it. Let's not forget, shortly before he picked Miami,  Thomas took verbal shots and Odom and his staff for not giving enough playing time to East St. Louis players in the program. Odom and his staff took notice of those comments. And by the way, his comments were flat-out wrong. At the time, Tre'Vour Simms was a guy the staff expected to become a starter along the offensive line - and now he's an All-SEC candidate. Terry Beckner Jr. was coming off an Freshman All-American season only cut short by a knee injury. Odom had two other ESL guys on the roster who had plenty of chances to earn playing time but checked out when they couldn't earn starting jobs.
    So, should Mizzou take a second look at Thomas, that would be my first question to Odom and his staff: This guy took shots at you and your coaches through the media. Is that all water under the bridge?
    That said, there's a lot of red flags with Thomas, always have been. Odom has worked hard to build a strong culture within the locker room - and they've got some good young talent at receiver on the team now and joining next year. I think he'll take an easy pass. 
    Will Any MU Tigers make all SEC first team - Drew Lock, Larry Rountree, Cale Garrett, Tucker McCann or Terry Buckner? I assume Bama and GA will dominate the team, but surely some tigers will get recognition.
    Ballots are due Sunday and mine will be published this weekend. I've got a handful of Tigers on there. Most deserving, in my opinion, based on how they've played and how their position groups stack up across the league are Cale Garrett and Tre'Vour Wallace-Simms. I'll have several more on the second team.
  • Interesting comment made in regard to Team Odom rushing to squash the Louisville rumors and how they may have been driven by the effort to present stability as Bryant makes a final decision on his home next year. Care to put odds on that decision being Mizzou and what impact do you think getting him in would have on next years team?
    Missouri is strongly in the mix by all accounts. I'm not going to pretend to have any inside info that others don't seen to have. We'll know next Tuesday. Missouri's sales pitch should be strong and straight forward: "You're a starter the day you step on campus. You'll  be surrounded by the league's best collection of running backs. You should have the league's best tight end, plus some young promising backups. You've got returning talent at receiver plus three starters back on the O-line. You're the missing link to Mizzou being a genuine SEC East contender. And you'll play for a coordinator who has seven years NFL experience who just helped Drew Lock become a more accurate, more complete, more NFL-ready quarterback." If that pitch doesn't resonate, you shake his hand and say best of luck wherever you land. 
    I have seen a report that "new" North Carolina coach Mack Brown plans to meet with Bryant. Not sure how enticing that situation will be considering how bad UNC was this year. 
    Does it really matter which bowl you play in if you dont make a NY6 bowl? I wouldn't mind the Liberty bowl since we make the trip to Vandy every other year. With the players coming back next season and get an experienced QB, I can see MIZ in the race for the East.
    It matters to a lot of people. But I do think folks get caught up with the prestige factor too much. If you're not playing on New Year's Day or in a warm climate, well, you hope it's a compelling opponent and a place where your fans can have some fun for a day or two.
    It was nice to see MUBB compete Tuesday night vs Temple. Hope they can keep it up vs UCF, Xavier and the Illini this month with a positive outcome on their home court. It was a positive step forward with Tilmon playing 30 minutes, scoring 14 points and not fouling out. But there is one more step and that is to win the close home games.
    That's a pretty optimistic take for a home loss to a team picked to finish sixth in the AAC. I thought Tuesday was a game Mizzou had to win if it hopes to be anything better than one of the bottom teams in the SEC. The turnovers were alarming, not just the number but the way they happened.
    Even though there has been a lot to criticize about this football team the last three years Odom's first three years are actually better than Pinkel's. Pinkel went 17-19 (9-15 conf) and Odom went (so far) 19-18 (10-14 conf). Both had one loss in a bowl game. So, I think I can feel confident that the program is moving in the right direction. Let's just end with a great bowl win!
    That's one way to look at it but Pinkel didn't inherit a program with an NFL quarterback (Lock) and NFL defensive linemen (Beckner, Harris) and multiple NFL receivers (Moore, Hall).
    What impact would a Georgia win over Alabama pushing both teams into the playoff bowls have on Mizzou's bowl assignment?
  • Nothing. The most teams the SEC can get into the New Year's Six is four. Alabama and Georgia will be among those four regardless what happens Saturday.
  • I prefer the Florida Bowl Games; Outback,Citrus, or Gator. I wont travel to the other ones. I'm hoping I can be true fan and the team welcomes me as a fan.
  • Does Mizzou pay the lesser opponents in their December schedule like Texas Arlington, Oral Roberts and Morehead St. like the football team pays to their season opening games like TN Martin or MoSt or DElaware St.
    Every team in college basketball plays their nonconference games in November and December. It has nothing to do with football.
    I'm proud of the team, they are fun to watch. Will Crockett be healed from his injury enough to play in the bowl game? Thank you.
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