Mizzou chat with Dave Matter

Mizzou chat with Dave Matter

Bring your Tigers football, basketball and recruiting questions, and talk to Mizzou beat writer Dave Matter in a live chat starting at 11 a.m. Thursday.

    Howdy, folks. Welcome to this week's chat. Cuonzo Martin just held a brief news conference to talk about a few different topics. I'll post a story after the chat. But for now I'm here for the next couple hours to take your questions. Fire away ...
    I have been watching mizzou since the days of coach al onofrio, besides the 77-0 loss to texas a&m in the early 1990s Saturdays loss to Vanderbilt has to be up there with the worst loss , pathetic and odoms we weren't ready to play is unexcusable they emabarrased themselves and the whole state
    Fair. I never quite understand when sports fans believe that the players embarrassed the fans and the whole state, but everyone can have their opinions.
    I think with this year’s team, the biggest disappointment to me has been the uneven play of our offensive line, especially with the bad penalties our interior players have had. Am I off base on this or has our line taken a step back from their play of last year?
    I'd agree. The coaches did so much shuffling along the line in the first month of the season that I wonder if the uneven play is the by-product. On one hand, it's the staff's job to identify the best players and the best combination for the starting five, but did they do a the offense a disservice by not settling on five guys in five spots earlier in the year? I still haven't gotten a great answer for why after two solid years of playing right guard Wallace-Simms was flipped to the left side, where it appears he hasn't played as well.
  • I have and will continue to support Coach Odom and the Tigers. It was a bad loss no question about that. My biggest complaint with this year’s team is how they carry themselves on the field. I cannot remember a time where I have seen so much trash talking from Missouri. We’ve had it in the past, but not so animated as I have seen this season, especially Saturday with the defense. These players have done nothing they need to crow about. I wish the coaching staff would make the players play the game first instead of mouthing off after making a tackle 15 yards down field like it was something special. It was Vanderbilt and if anyone should have been trash talking it was them because they at least backed up what they were mouthing. Your thoughts?
  • This team does yap a lot between plays, though I wouldn't limit it to the defense. And, to some degree, the defense has earned the right to play with some attitude like that. It feels like nitpicking to blame the defense for the loss at Vandy. It was a B-minus effort from the defense ... compared to an F for the offense. Odom believes this defense plays well because it's not thinking, just reacting, playing fast and cutting loose. There's a lot of truth to that - and when you're playing that free and loose and having success, it's natural to celebrate and play with some fire. But the constant yapping and extra-curriculars gets to be a bad look when you're losing to Vanderbilt.
  • They are expecting heavy rain this Saturday in Lexington. How much does weather change their game plan, or is that something they look at in advance to prepare part of the plan for wet weather?
    Missouri does a series of wet ball drills every Thursday on both sides of the ball to prepare for bad weather. This passing game struggled last week in slight rain, but I'm not sure the weather was much of a factor at Vandy. This game is going to be won or lost on the line of scrimmage. Kentucky has a solid O-line. The Cats are playing better defense. They didn't get pushed around by Georgia. UK is one-dimensional on offense, but it's a pretty good dimension when a dynamic athlete like Lynn Bowden is touching the ball every snap. For Missouri's defense, this game is going to be all about defensive assignments and tackling.
  • What's the main issue with the o-line's blocking?
    These pro-sized players hav so much promise. Does OC work with them much?
  • It's hard to pinpoint what the issue has been. The line was dominant against Ole Miss. And Ole Miss' defensive front is better than Vandy's. Vandy played some games up front, some stunts and twists, and that seemed to give the Tigers problems inside. Their second-level players swarmed to the ball and got off blocks really well.
  • Martin has said that he plans on going with four guard lineups and has also said he considers Kobe Brown and Tray Jackson "guards" when they are really forwards in the traditional sense but have some guard like qualities like passing, handles, or outside shooting. How much do you think the 4 guard lineups are really 3 guards + Brown or Jackson vs a 4 guard lineup we think of such as the lineup Frank Haith applied his first season? On another note I think Kobe Brown is going to be the freshman who has the biggest impact but had the lowest recruiting hype similar to Picket last year
  • Brown, Jackson and Mitchell Smith are the fours and you can probably throw Parker Braun into the mix. They'll play on the perimeter, but they bring more size than a traditional guard. I wouldn't compare these plans to closely to the Haith's version of four guards when he had more traditional guards spread out along the perimeter: Pressey, English, Denmon and Dixon. English was the biggest of the four, but for this year's team, Brown is closer to a natural forward because of his size at 6-7, 240.
    It's all about getting favorable matchups. If Brown is matched against a bigger body he can beat him off the dribble or pull him outside on the perimeter to clear room inside for Tilmon to maneuver. Defensively, Brown's quickness can be an asset against a bigger, less agile offensive player - but he's got enough size and bulk to defend inside to some degree. I agree that Brown could have the most impact early because of his versatility. But they expect all three to contribute. Martin is really high on McKinney. 
  • I understand Missouri was not "ready" for the game last week. How can they not get ready during the game though? Yes Vandy has scholarship players as well but it seemed that Missouri had better talent. I could not tell from watching on TV but did all the O Line get rotated in and out?
  • They stuck with the same five linemen except for one play when Cook had to come out. 
    I'm not sure how to explain how the team couldn't have been ready, other than they simply expected to win the game easily. And if that's your mindset going into the game and the way you're approaching kickoff, I'd imagine it's hard for some athletes to flip the switch. They weren't alone in thinking this would be an easy win. When I posted my "Blueprint to Victory" blog post on Friday, among the first replies from readers was, "Just show up." But obviously that wasn't enough. 
  • The KU-MU FB rivalry was the 3rd longest in college FB history when it ended when MU moved to the SEC. i hope the thawing of the cold war between Bill Self and MU means the FB rilvalry can be restarted at a convenient time. It was good that it didn’t start last Saturday because KU scored 48 points vs Texas while MU fumbled, stumbled and bumbled vs Vanderbilt who lost to UNLV by 20 points. UNLV’s onloy other win was vs Sothern Utah. Maybe MU can get Southern Utah to come to Columbia if SEMO or Delaware St or Idaho are unavailable for future non conference games. Acyually scheduling KU makes a lot of sense because of the rivalry, the short trip either school has to make to road games and most importantly for the fans who eagerly await the resumption of this series as shown by the sellout crowd that attended the preseason exhibition game in KC 2 seasons ago.
  • I didn't get to watch the Vandy game, but have seen some comments on the team's demeanor throughout the game and especially after penalties. The conclusion was they were so sure they were going to win even though they weren't playing well. How can a team that is not consistently in the polls think they are good enough to beat any team they are favored against? Was this a problem with the coach not preparing them mentally or did he say the right things and they just didn't listen?
  • MU and KU are working on future football games, but Mizzou will either have to change some contracts on games that are already scheduled or be willing to play multiple Power Five nonconference opponents in a given year. After next year, Mizzou already has P5 games scheduled against Boston College, Kansas State, Illinois and Colorado. There's no point in getting rid of those games, so either you schedule Kansas after the last game against the Buffs in 2030 or you sneak Kansas into a vacant spot being held for a Group of Five team or you replace a Group of Five team on a future schedule. It takes cash to buy out those games, so that's probably not something an athletics department in the red wants to do right now.
  • sorry dave I disagree , they have the whole state to themselves most states even small states with a lot smaller populations have more division 1 teams , sorry they embarresed everyone from KC to STL and from Joplin to hannibal
  • Agree to disagree. For one, not everyone in the state of Missouri is a Mizzou fan. That's obvious six or seven Saturdays every fall. Also, I just never understand why an adult who roots for a team of college players would feel embarrassed when the college players have a bad game. I have teams that I like in other sports and when they lose badly I'm not personally embarrassed. Maybe disappointed, but not embarrassed. To each his own.
  • Do you feel the ceiling for Mizzou football in the next 10 years is something like that of my Indiana University? That is, hoping for relevance in their conference year after year with dreams of a great year nice in a while? Last Saturday IU and Maryland was on at the same time as mizzou and Vanderbilt. Although IU did win that game, as I switched back and forth watching both, I could not help rethinking Mizzou is just like IU, relevant but that is about it
    There's a much different standard at Missouri than there is at Indiana. I sensed that first-hand when I covered a game at Indiana a few years ago. It's just not a football school. You can tell the difference between a campus and an athletics department that truly cares about being great at football and ones that don't. I'd put Indiana in the latter category. IU is capable of having a winning record and going to bowl games, but the Hoosiers haven't come close to tasting the kind of winning Mizzou had under Pinkel. Pre-1998, yes, the two programs were closer to the same level, but not post-2007.
    If you’re making a prediction on this weeks Mizzoe Kentucky game, I hope you have thrown away the crystal ball used for that one and replaced it with a new one. Reading last weeks articles made it sound like it was hardly worth it to show up last week vs Vandy. If you remember the 2018 Vandy game it went down to the very end in COMO with Mizzou hanging on to a close victory. Mizzou is listed as a 10 point favorite vs KY, but it is another road game and they have lost 4 in a row vs KY. Which Mizzou team shows up this week is anybodys guess. So much for the one week MU visit to the top 25.
    Of course hindsight is 20-20, but I stand by initial opinion that Mizzou should have been favored by more than 21 at Missouri - based solely on what we knew BEFORE the game. Missouri was really playing well on both sides of the ball against competition much better than Vandy. Vandy was playing terribly against much worse competition than Missouri. I thought it should have been a 24-point spread. I picked Mizzou to win 41-13. Again, all of that was based on what we knew BEFORE the game. Obviously, the game didn't unfold that way, but there's no reasonable person on earth who could have predicted 21-14 based on what we knew about each team. 
    As for the Kentucky game, I'll make my prediction on the site tomorrow, as always. I'm conflicted. Big time. As much as I've been on any Mizzou game the last few years. Here are the ideas floating in my brain:
    * If both teams play as well as they have at any point this season, Missouri is the better team. No doubt. The best of 2019 Missouri team is 14 points better than the best of 2019 Kentucky team.
    * Stoops has a track record for getting his teams to play well as an underdog (10 upsets from 2013-19).
    * I don't buy that last week's loss at Vandy had anything to do with playing on the road. Mizzou had more fans in the stands than Vandy. It wasn't about atmosphere. It was about toughness and execution. 
    * For whatever reason Odom knows how to get his team to respond when its back is against the wall - and his players have historically responded. 
    * Kentucky's defense is getting better by the week. I could see Mizzou getting stuck into another ditch of three-and-outs. 
    * Mizzou is due to finally beat UK. The last two games were one-possession games that came down to some fortunate calls. 
    * I'm tempted to pick Missouri to win but by less than the spread (10 1/2), but when is the last time MU won a close game? MU has dropped its last three games decided by 8 points or less and five of its last six. Last win was last year's Vandy game.
    Dave, since mccant cant kick extra points or FGs is there even a backup kicker, hes solid in his punting and kickoffs let him keep doing that . I know hes a senior I guess we sink or swim with him
    Sean Koetting is the backup. I'm not sure if Odom's faith in McCann will ever be tested. He made that 57-yarder at South Carolina last year and that might have bought him lifetime job security. With a kicker, I think the fear is if you bench him and then the backup stinks the first guy will never recover his confidence. Maybe that's the fear here.
    Hi Dave - I appreciate you and your excellent work - you’re one of the key reasons I subscribe! Border War (MU vs KU BB) question - will you have access to the contract and be able to eventually report the details (dollars) etc? Also - what impact will this KU game have on the Dec Braggin Rights game vs IL in StL? (The last I heard - the contract for the MU vs IL game was short term.) I’m hoping we did not just trade one for the other? Thx!
    The contract is not yet available but I'll report the details once available. 
    As for the Braggin Rights game, yes, the series has been extended. The only dates that are set in stone for the KU series are the first and last of the six games, and both will be played roughly a week before the Illinois game. 
    Do you think there will be any leverage for Mizzou to play SLU in bball? Coach Ford's teams seem to be getting better as time goes on. Plus I was at the game when Wesley Stokes hit the game winner from the free throw line at the Enterprise Center. That is what made me fall in love with Mizzou hoops as a kid. Do you remember that game?
    Yes, I covered that game for the Columbia Tribune. I don't sense much of a push at Mizzou to get SLU on the schedule, especially now with the upcoming KU series. Never say never, though.
    After being picked to finish 13th out of 14 in the SEC preseason BB poll last week, I saw Missouri
    Received 13 votes in the preseason top 25 basketball poll, not enough to be in the TOp 25, but apparently some voters think mizzou is better than those participating in the SEC preseason poll.
    I’m a little confused as to what to think about the Tigers upcoming season.
    The AP poll result was very misleading. One voter picked Mizzou at No. 13 - and that got MU 13 votes in the poll. He was the only voter out of 65 to have Mizzou on his ballot. Keep in mind, when you see those teams listed as also receiving votes the number next to their name is how many points they earned, not how many votes they got. If you're No. 25 on someone's ballot, you get one point, No. 24 two points, etc. If you're picked 13th on one ballot, you get 13 points. Hence, Mizzou's 13 poll points.
    There have been probably a dozen articles in missouri media building A LOT of hype around Dru Smith and I'm curious how much stock we should put in that. I recall similar (although not as many) articles about KJ Santos last year. Injuries aside, KJ never contributed much value to the squad. Given the similarities (mid-major transfer, year or more of rust, hype based on practice/scrimmages), should we really expect Dru to be as good as the boys at SB nation are claiming?

    I don't expect Dru to be nearly as forgettable as KJ, but have you see anything that validates the hype? Have you seen him practice outside of the homecoming open session? What's your read?
    by Bernie's Baseless Painter Prediction 10/24/2019 5:04:36 PM
    I wouldn't compare to the two guys by any means. Smith has legitimate Division I experience and a track record at Evansville, where he was an incredibly efficient player. Great playmaker, great shooter. MU coaches love his defense. He'll make a marked difference in how the ball is distributed. If he's a 40-percent 3-point shooter, that will open a lot of things on this team. (He shot 48 percent at Evansville two years ago.) I understand that fans are gun shy about some of the hype, but he's got a chance to be the most impactful newcomer in the SEC outside of some five-star freshmen on other teams.
    Safe to say that MU loss to Vandy one of the worst in their all-time history? Or is that too harsh? Certainly one of their all-time most embarrassing. ... How could they play so awful against such an awful team? And the infuriating lack of discipline with this team with these stupid costly penalties. That's on Odom, right? What's the problem--is he too buddy-buddy with his players to give them a badly needed kick in the rear when they have these undisciplined outbursts that contribute to the team losing the game? What's going on with senior kicker McCann reverting  back to his awful freshman season? Why does Odom feel a need to be dishonest to you guys and the fans about key injured players such as Floyd that he says are looking good to go all week long with only to end up not playing them on game day? ... Will 10/19/19 be looked back at as the Day Mizzou Football Died and collapsed into ashes while Illinois Football rose from them?
    I think your last sentence is a little too dramatic for my tastes. Great win for Illinois last week, but the Illini are 10-point underdogs at Purdue this week. I wouldn't say Lovie has completely climbed out of the wreckage. And I don't think we witnessed the funeral for Missouri's program. Bad loss, no doubt. Mizzou's had other losses on the same scale. Troy in 2004. New Mexico in 2006. Kansas in 2008. Middle Tennessee in 2016. This one feels worse and might actually be worse for the simple reason that it came less than two months after another epic loss - and the Tigers appeared to make rid themselves of the Wyoming stink with the way they played during the five-game homestand. 
    As for the injuries, Odom wasn't being dishonest in the case of Floyd. He gave the media an injury update last Tuesday. He was hopeful Floyd could play but never guaranteed he'd play. By kickoff, they were confident Floyd would be able to fair catch the ball if they put him on the field but they weren't certain he'd be able to run at full speed on a punt return. If they didn't think he had a chance to play they would have left him and home and wouldn't have wasted a travel spot. But you make that call on Friday and put him on the plane hoping that in 24 hours his hamstring would be ready to go. But in this case it wasn't.
    Dave, I do want to say how much I appreciate you doing this each week. I subscribe now because of your quality input.
    Much appreciated. Spread the good word to all your friends.
    IF you are going to wager on Kentucky game take the 10.5 points
  • I don't feel great either way. I'll have a prediction on the site tomorrow.
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