Mizzou chat with Dave Matter

Mizzou chat with Dave Matter

Bring your Tigers football, basketball and recruiting questions, and talk to Mizzou beat writer Dave Matter in a live chat starting at 11 a.m. Wednesday.

    Sterk's original contract was a seven-year deal through 2023.
    Here’s a what if? What if Jim Sterk called up Jeff Long and invited KU to participate in a Border War Scrimmage at end of year in KC (Arrowhead). Could NCAA stop it?
    You have to receive special waivers for any kind of game like that outside of the normal schedule structure. That's not realistic. Too great a chance for injury in football to throw meaningless exhibitions.
    the comment after the judgement calling for others to consider "options" other than the ncaa is interesting... to what extent do you think mizzou leadership have been prominent behind the scenes in such efforts, or how may the social activism of the potential BYU boycott, or both, raised the hairs of the ncaa to 'teach us a lesson' the next time we came across the compliance review... hence the beat down?
    I don't see how the 2015 boycott has anything to do with Mizzou's relationship with the NCAA. There's zero connection there. The boycott lasted less than two days and cost Mizzou one practice.
    Don't think I've ever seen higher expectations for an MI football team than what we had going into this year. Only to see it fall completely on its face. Can you remember a past season in MU football where expectations were this high, and the results were this much of a let down?
    Yes. 2004. That team was ranked No. 19 the second week of the season, lost at Troy and finished 5-6. I'd probably rank that season as a bigger disappointment because they didn't have major injuries. Brad Smith was a junior QB, fourth year in the program. The defense was one of the best in the Big 12, but the offense took a big step backward. That team lost games with leads of 14-0, 17-0 and 21-0.
  • What are your thoughts on the response this morning from the NCAA regarding Mizzou's criticism of the rejected appeal? The NCAA claims to have followed the rules determined by NCAA members and suggest Mizzou should change the rules if they think they are too harsh. However, if the NCAA is committed to following their rules, why did they apply a much lesser penalty to Mississippi State who had a similar infraction?
    The NCAA's statement was factually true but I didn't really understand the point. The statement essentially said: Missouri is part of the cartel that makes the rules and shouldn't complain when they break the rules. It is absolutely true that Missouri admitted to Level 1 violations, and in hindsight maybe that was a mistake. Instead, MU squabbled over whether it should have been Level 1 mitigating vs. aggravating violations. 
    Also, Mississippi State was able to use a process that wasn't adopted when MU's case began, so by the letter of the law, MSU's lesser penalty was appropriated. But, Mizzou argued, the appeals committee should have applied some common sense and overturned Mizzou's sentence only because the negotiated resolution process wasn't available at the time. On the other hand, if you're going into an argument with the NCAA that it should use more common sense, then you've already lost your argument. 
    Dave did you get to enjoy some BLVDs and BBQ to help numb the pain of bad basketball and a less than showing from Mizzou fans in KC?
    Um, no. I drove back and forth between KC and Columbia after Monday's game. Here's how glamorous journalism is: I received some information from sources that I trusted while I was still along Highway 70 headed west. The nearest feasible stop where I could file some stories was the Higginsville truck stop. While the truckers fueled up and showered and some lovely Higginsville folks had their breakfast, I was holed up in the corner table at the truck stop McDonald's hammering away at a story. A few hours later, it was back on the highway and off to the Sprint Center for more news. No time for local eats.
    Has the OL coach ever said what he thinks what happened to the offensive line this year? Really surprised at how bad they played, considering the high expectations for them coming into the season.
    Brad Davis doesn't talk to the media. I've never interviewed him. He's been requested a handful of times this year but never stops to talk - even last year on national signing day when all the coaches are happy to brag about the players they personally recruited.
    I wouldn't want to be Jim Stark right now. I really think he likes and respects coach Odom. Do you think he is being pressured by alumni or big-time donors to make a coaching change?
    He may respect Odom, but that doesn't mean he has to keep him employed as his football coach. As I wrote yesterday, when Sterk was asked how the sanctions will factor into his evaluation of the football season (Odom's job performance), he was very quick to point out - and I mean very quick and emphatic - that those are two separate situations and will be evaluated separately.
    I'm predicting that crowd noise will not be a problem when Mizzou plays Arkansas Friday. HaHa
  • It might be the smallest crowd for an SEC game that Missouri's seen since joining the league. Arkansas fans aren't all that fired up about their team for obvious reasons. Moving games to Little Rock is a polarizing issue for Hog fans. And the weather outlook is not promising.
  • A person commented earlier "has the Mizzou football team packed it in, will they show up Friday" I'm not sure if all the players have packed it in or not. But I think Mizzou fans have. With no chance for a bowl game and the coach on the hot seat, I think fans have lost interest and are just waiting for next year.
    Sure, but I doubt many were planning a trip to Little Rock in the first place. It's one thing to visit a college town atmosphere like Lexington or Athens, but this trip won't have the same buzz.
    What's your read on this b-ball team? The KC trip can't be categorized as anything other than a failure. Certainly there is a long way to go, but I was hoping for at least 1 W against Butler and OU. It looked much more like the 13th rated SEC team than one in the upper half.
    An 0-2 trip through KC was a huge failure. There's still pieces to like about this team, but if they're not going to defend for stretches like we saw early in both games, then they have zero chance to compete in the SEC much less have a relevant team this season. Martin's teams are rarely offensively prolific. This team has some intriguing parts on the offensive end, but for this to be a competitive team that pushes for 20 wins and makes a run at the big bracket, defense isn't optional. It has to be their strength. It would be like the 2019 Cardinals having major pitching/defense/base-running lapses and just counting on home runs to win games. That's not how that team was built - and Martin's teams are built around defense and rebounding.
    I remember when the NCAA used to dish out sanctions that wouldn't allow a team to be on TV. Is that still something that happens? Is there ever a chance that a team could be put on probation and be banned from TV? That would really hurt a program.
    I haven't heard of that punishment being applied in decades. The conferences have too much money tied up with the TV networks for that to be a feasible sanction. Plus, it doesn't really make sense to punish the opponent and take them off TV when it was the other team that committed the crime.
    Cale Garrett was such a special player for Mizzou. Not only was he the heart of the defense he had a very high football IQ. If he doesn't play in the NFL do you think he has aspirations to coach football?
  • Possibly, but he's a guy who could do just about anything that interests him. He's wired differently that most college football players and I could see him exploring interests beyond football. He's talked about being a Navy SEAL. That was his plan if he stuck with his commitment to the Naval Academy. All that being said, I absolutely think he'll have a chance to play in the NFL.
  • Assuming they beat Arkansas does the NCAA ruling have a positive or negative effect on Odom coming back next year? To me scholarship reductions, recruiting restrictions, etc just gives Odom another excuse to say he can't be fired.
    I very much disagree. 
    If anything the sanctions offer some closure. It would be hard to make a coaching change if the appeals case was still lingering into the offseason, especially if the postseason ban would stretch over to 2020.That's no longer the case.
    Again, the other sanctions aren't ideal but hardly crippling to a program's long-term foundation. It's a loss four or five scholarships for one season - not multiple seasons. Think about all the scholarship players on the current roster who don't contribute on the field. Heck, half the senior day ceremony was for players who rarely, if ever, see the field. You don't need 85 players for one season. 
    In some ways, the NCAA avoided a huge disaster because Mizzou didn't have the kind of season everyone thought they would. Do you think the appeal would have been different if they were 10-1 or 9-2 rather than 5-6? The NCAA would have been eviscerated if Mizzou was in line for an SEC title game or prominent bowl game and they announced the decision before the last regular season game. Makes me wonder if that wasn't why the process took so long...they wanted to see what kind of season Mizzou had to determine the outcome of the appeal.
    I know that sounds like a juicy theory, but I'm not sure I buy it completely. I do wonder if the Make It Right campaign backfired some. The NCAA catches a lot of flak, but maybe the constant bashing from Boone County took its toll on the process. 
    (The NCAA wanted to drag this out until today and release the ruling the day before Thanksgiving, but MU requested that it happen on Tuesday instead.)
     
    Dave - As we all know by now, the NCAAs decision comes at at time when the program is not only coming off a bad year, but also, coaching changes will likely happen which could affect recruiting and transfers. I'm sure Jim Sterk and his staff have been planning for all types of scenerios, but does hiring a new head coach stop the bleeding?
    Depends on who they would hire, obviously. I just don't know how to answer that question without knowing what's going to happen next. Will a new coach improve recruiting and win more games? Well, that's why you hire a new coach. If Sterk doesn't believe Odom is the right person to get this program to where he believes it should be, then he'll make a change. If they have transfers ... OK. You're 5-6. How many great players are on a 5-6 team that you can't afford to lose?
  • Hi Dave. Hope your afternoon is going well. Boy what a brutally depressing 48 hours or so to be a Tiger fan. I apparently made the mistake of thinking the men's basketball team would give us all a badly needed pick-me-up with a win or two having something of a home-court advantage against quality opponents these last 2 nights. How very wrong I was about that! I know one particular preseason college basketball magazine that I purchased had positive things to say about the core of the team with Smith & Smith, Pickett, Watson, Pinson, etc but still felt the team was a year away from being good. Maybe they know what they're talking about and Mizzou fans have to be patient through one more rebuilding year? Thanks for letting me vent.
  • This shouldn't be looked at as a rebuilding year. Everyone in college basketball rebuilds every year. Missouri's got veterans up and down its lineup. Tilmon is one of the SEC's most experienced big men. The sophomore core has played a lot of ball. Dru and Mark Smith are veterans of the college game. This team might have only one senior, but compared to most teams around the country, this is a fairly seasoned roster.
    Dave,
    Does the NCAA decision help Odom keep his job? I would imagine it’s harder to get a good coach to commit to a school with recruiting limitations (unless they had a more storied history than Mizzou does).
  • Once again, these are not major recruiting restrictions. A smart staff will work around them. And, again, it's only for one academic year. One year. If there's a coaching change, a new coach would get a protected contract that makes the first couple years essentially a grace period - just like Cuonzo Martin's contract. Good coaches willingly take on much messier situations. Look at what Matt Rhule willingly stepped into at Baylor. Petrino left Louisville an absolute wreck and UL still made a really strong hire with Satterfield. Minnesota made an abrupt coaching change a few years ago when a multi-player sexual assault case rocked the program - and still landed a successful Group of Five head coach in PJ Fleck. Not too long ago, Bill O'Brien left a pretty plum job as Tom Brady's coordinator to take over the steaming pile of trash at Penn State. 
    Coaches want good jobs. Missouri is an SEC job that will pay someone $3-4 million a year. It's not the best job in the division obviously, but coaches will be interested. 
  • Dave - Do you think a decision about Barry Odom will come as early as this weekend?
    Yes, one way or another. National signing day is three weeks from today. What did June and Johnny sing? Time's a Wastin' ... 
    I don't think a decision will necessarily hinge on a meaningless game against 2-9 Arkansas.
    My apologies ahead of time if anyone already asked this question or something similar to it as I was late to joining chat today, but do you think it's possible that the whole "Make It Right" campaign might have had the opposite effect and only served to antagonize the powers-that-be at the NCAA to the point that it made them really decide to stick it to MU?
    I think it's possible. I still think it was smart on Mizzou's part to mobilize its fans against the NCAA.
    Dave - Mizzou has incurred a tremdous cost over the past two years with the enzone project, the legal team working on the appeal and the possibility of a buy out of their head football coach. We don't gave the deep pockets or the donors like other SEC schools. Will these costs determine how much it can spend on a new head coach?
    A hurdle? Yes. 
    A stop sign? No. The fact that the university is loaning athletics money to cover the postseason revenue loss means athletics won't have to dip into its own account to cover those losses. 
    Missouri can't go out and hire someone for $7 million a year. But the money should be there to pay someone a salary at market rate for a lower-tier SEC team. Don't forget, Missouri has money in next year's budget to cover Odom and his staff. So it's not like they'd have to scratch together $4 million out of nowhere to pay for a new coach.
    OK, folks. It's time to get started on my day-before-Thanksgiving Thanksgiving. I'll be headed down to Little Rock to cover Friday's game and any news that develops from there. Stay tuned as always. Thanks for joining today's chat and Happy Thanksgiving.
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