Mizzou chat with Dave Matter

Mizzou chat with Dave Matter

Bring your Tigers football, basketball and recruiting questions, and talk to Mizzou beat writer Dave Matter in a live chat starting at 11 a.m. Thursday.

    Happy Thursday, chatters. I can only imagine there are a few things to discuss after Missouri's faceplant of a season-opener at Wyoming. One promise from me: There will be no talk of silver linings or blessings in disguise from me. I've heard some of that from media folks this week. Not me. There's no way to spin what happened in Laramie the other night. Did it ruin Missouri's season? No, let's not get dramatic. Did it possibly squander all the goodwill Odom and MU have earned with a temperamental fan base? Perhaps. We'll see. Lots of football left to play, but short of going 10-1 or 11-0 the rest of the way, that loss is going to be a stain. 
    Now, let's get chatting. 
    Also, if you missed the news, Missouri landed a commitment from four-star Tulsa wide receiver Javian Hester, who had serious interest from Texas and other Big 12 schools, along with Michigan and Nebraska. That's a statement for Odom and his offensive coaches.
    If Mizzou loses Saturday will Barry be on the hot seat?
    Not if they still win eight, nine, 10 games. What's the hot seat really? His AD is watching him closely to evaluate if he'll keep him around? Well, that's the case all the time, some weeks more intensely than others. I think it's premature to start talking about Odom's job security. A lot of season left. A lot of winnable games.
  • I realize that Mizzou has lost to other non-power 5 teams in the past. But considering how high the expectations were for this team going into the season, would you consider this the worst loss ever for a Mizzou football team, or the biggest upset?
    It's on the short list. Yes, it was on the road. Yes, it's an unconventional place to play. Yes, season openers are tricky. Yes, elevation, altitude, 7,220 feet, yadda, yadda, yadda. But the Tigers were favored by 18 points. Nobody outside of the Wyoming locker room gave Wyoming a chance. The media who cover Wyoming expected a big Missouri win. Folks around town in Cheyenne and Laramie expected a Missouri win. I've been covering Mizzou since the late 1990s. I'd put this one in the company of 2004 Troy and 2014 Indiana. In hindsight, that was a good Troy team with an NFL superstart on defense. Urban Meyer's Bowling Green teams that beat Missouri in 2001 and 2002 were better than MU - or at the very least on par with the talent Missouri had in Pinkel's first two years. Odom was a rookie coach still trying to figure out what he had in 2016 when Middle Tennessee won in Columbia. All of those were bad losses but not like this one Saturday.
    Can someone tell me why BO consider s Ryan Walters an up-and-coming coach. Apparently BO thinks that he is head coaching material. what am I missing here because he hasn't shown anything since he's been at Mizzou.
    I don't agree that he hasn't shown anything. Missouri got hot last year when Walters changed up the defense, started playing younger defensive backs and the Tigers were much better on that side of the ball, among the top half in the SEC. Now, it was also his defense in the first half of the year that struggled - and in the bowl game. So I don't think anyone's making him out to be the second coming of Bill Belichick ... but it's disingenuous  to say he hasn't done anything. He deserves credit for last year's adjustments and turnaround. That said, this defense has to play better the rest of the season
    As per usual you along with your cronies are afraid to ask any tough questions with regards to this teams efforts as it relates to Odom's inability to get his troops ready for the first part of the year. Year after Year. You fail to confront Odom about his DC and the inability to according to many media types be Odom's strength when in reality it has been anything but since he took over as HC. When will we see some Testosterone from any of you scribes.
    This is such nonsense. We ask the questions that need to be asked. It's not the questions you don't like. It's the answers. I'm not going to wag my finger, stomp my feet and shout questions like an unhinged talk radio host just so I can start a screaming match that makes it onto ESPN. That's not how this works. Odom and Walters were asked every pertinent question this week.
    Good Morning Dave - With the start off this season, I thought that we were over the hump in the surprise losses to non-conference games - but I guess not. To me - our coach and coaching staff needs to work thru these issues and get things right. Mizzou is not a program that can afford to be switching out coaches without expecting it would take seasons to get things back on track. That is my editorial. My questions is does our defensive lline have the talent for us to compete in conference games this year? It goes beyond words how over matched they were on Saturday? Thank You
  • I asked several veteran players after the game Saturday night if they thought Mizzou was past these kind of games. Is the program beyond the point where they suffer these kind of upsets? I thought Cale Garrett gave the most candid answer. "The moment you think you’re past anything is the moment you get caught. For us it’s important not to overlook anybody. It’s a gut check. It’s a wake-up call. It’s a slap in the face. college football is the real deal and anybody can get beat any weekend."
    Did Mizzou overlook Wyoming? I think it's impossible to say every player on that field took the opponent seriously. And if that's the case, you're going to get exposed if the other team is bought in and has enough talent to keep the game competitive. 
  • The headlne in today’s PD article about the Illinois defense is ILLINI DEFENSE STILL HAS ROOM TO IMPROVE. What would be the headline for the Mizzou defenses debacle in Wyoming? Especially disconcerting is the 2 long runs for TDs that destroyed the confidence the team had built up with their 14-0 first quarter. It reminded me of the opener 2 years ago when they gave up 43 points to MoSt.
    After rewatching a lot of the game I'm of the belief that it really came down to bad tackling on the two big runs. Wyoming ran the ball 42 times; Mizzou held 28 of those runs to 3 yards or less. More often than not, Wyoming barely got past the line of scrimmage. But when Mizzou missed a tackle, it paid dearly. Bad tackling isn't just failing to wrap up or a lack of toughness or physicality. It's angles. It's positioning. When MU didn't get a stop near the line of scrimmage, the secondary had to make a play in the back end and on the two long runs those defenders were either caught out of position or didn't finish the tackle.
    Looks like we have reason to be concerned regarding a pass rush. What can be done to get pressure on QB.
    I think you almost have to give the defense a free pass on the pass rush question for this past game. Wyoming only completed six passes. There were 183 plays in that game when you count all offensive snaps and every special teams play. And just six completed passes. When Wyoming did complete a pass it was behind max protection or on a rollout/play-action. That's not to say the pass rush is going to be a strength of this team. I have serious doubts. This West Virginia game will be a much better indicator. Austin Kendall is a prototypical pocket passer. They like to dial up deep passes, which gives the rush some time to attack the pocket. If it's a clean pocket all day and Kendall's jersey is clean, that's a big red flag for this defense.
    Dave - Do you see Tucker McCann holding down the positon of punter along with his kicking duties? I thought he did well.
    Based on what we saw Saturday I'd say he's the punter until something goes wrong. He did a nice job - in the altitude. We'll see how he does closer to sea level. If anything he outkicked his coverage on at least one punt the other night. But he's certainly got the leg.
    I'm glad to hear that you're not going to sugarcoat this debacle that we saw last Saturday. Let's call it what it is an embarrassment.
    I'll always keep things real. You can find a healthy balance between being fairly critical and not over-the-top ballistic. Teams that aren't elite or terrible generally fluctuate a lot from one week to the next. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we see a much more crisp, more physical performance against WVU.
    I have this feeling that after the horrible lost on Saturday that you're going to see a lot less people in the stands than you would have if they would have won.
  • I suspect the loss will cost Mizzou some fans. A lot less? I'm not sure about that. There's a bandwagon element of the fan base that MU is working hard to recapture. Will one loss scare them away? It would be naive to say no.
  • Your prediction for this Saturday? Is Mizzou still a 2 touchdown favorite? If yes, does that surprise you after what happened last week?
  • It doesn't surprise me, for a few reasons ...
    * Mizzou moved the ball at will and was in position to score a lot more points but had untimely turnovers. Nine times out of 10 MU scores a TD on the play Rountree fumbled. Another TD was erased on a pass interference penalty that isn't always called. Both MU fumbles hopped right into the hands of a Wyoming defender. There's some luck at play there. The line indicates Vegas expects those kind of breaks to balance out - and that MU played better than the final score indicated. 
    * West Virginia nearly lost at home to an FCS team, albeit a very good FCS team, but still ... WVU's run game was nonexistent. This is not an experienced team. Lots of new parts. First road game under a new staff. A two-touchdown point spread doesn't seem all that surprising. 
    I'll have my prediction on the site in my weekly picks blog on Friday.
  • MU had 420 yards passing and only 120 yards rushing. Kelly Bryant has been advertised as a rushing QB but those stats are exactly opposite of what you would think. Is Wyoming’s defense that good or did the 7220 elevation mark on Mizzou’s sideline psyche out the team?
    As running backs coach Cornell Ford said this week, the altitude stuff is "B.S." It wasn't a factor. At no point did MU look tired. If that were the case, then why did they recover from a rough second quarter and nearly win the game in the fourth? Also, if the elevation was such a factor, why isn't Wyoming better at home? I believe they're only four games over .500 over the last decade.
    Wyoming loaded the box with extra defenders and crowded the interior gaps with its linebackers and took away a lot of running room. Bryant ran the ball effectively in the first quarter on the zone-read, but once MU got down and couldn't get much of a push with the run, it was time to throw the ball - and other than a couple passes, Bryant did a nice job moving the chains. He was far more accurate and consistent throwing the ball in the game than what I saw in camp.
    Dave - Clearly, Larry Roundtree was held out most of the second half because of the sloppy fumble at the goal line. The coaches said Badie was a better match up then Roundtree. How is that so whe Larry came into the season as our number one running back?
    Go back and read what I wrote yesterday. The staff said Tuesday that Badie played the second half because he was playing better than Rountree. The fumble was a factor in that decison. So was Rountree's pass-blocking. Ford always goes with the hot hand if one back is clearly playing better than the other guy. Rountree is still the starter. The coaches expect him to bounce back this week. I do, too. He's too talented to turn this into a thing. Both backs will play and should play - but I don't expect there to be a major change going forward.
    What the hell happened to the running game last week? Rountree was a non factor. Did he suddenly become a bad running back over the off-season? Did the offensive line forget how to block?
    They weren't physical enough. There were some miscommunication issues. Wyoming sent extra defenders to the line of scrimmage, more than MU's formations could handle sometimes. 
    This isn't all that unique. Missouri struggled to run the ball early each of the past two seasons and then eventually got it cranked up after another week or two. I think this team will be able to run the ball consistently at some point. Maybe it's this week. But that wasn't close to being good enough on Saturday. 
    Why do you think Mizzou struggled with the RPO vs Wyoming? This is something that they run themselves now that Kelly Bryant is on the team you would think that they would be used to seeing this type of offense.
    Are we sure they struggled with RPO? Those are read plays where Bryant either gives the ball to the back or throws it based on how he reads the defense. The offense didn't run the ball very well, but I don't think it was necessarily an RPO issue. And he threw it better than anyone expected.
    If Saturday’s effort is going to be the norm for the season, I guess fans can stop worrying about whether the NCAA reverses it decision to ban MU from a bowl game. With all the preseason hype and a 14-0 lead, that bubble bursted awful quickly.
    Let's not forget that teams can play a lot differently from one week to the next. Think about last year. Mizzou had one of the worst meltdowns I've ever seen against Kentucky and then dominated at Florida a week later. And we've seen Missouri teams do just the opposite, too. Play great one week and flat the next. Week to week momentum or carryover doesn't really exist in football. You can get on a losing streak or a winning streak, but how you play one week against one opponent doesn't really impact how you play the next week against a different opponent.
    Everyone realizes that Mizzou played terribly on Saturday, but what do you think about the comments made by Odom? He mentioned he thought the team would be better prepared against adversity, which obviously was not handled well. The main problem I have with his comments is that we did not seem to come out ready to play for the second half of the game. Odom doesn't seem to have the ability to light the fire in the team and get them ready to play, from what I have seen.
    I thought it was a really candid comment from Odom on Tuesday that he throught he had a good read on how this team would handle adversity but he was wrong.  Now, it's one thing to say that after the first game and much different to say it eight weeks into the season. First games are a mystery. This specific team had never faced in-game adversity. This isn't last year's team. New quarterback. Some new O-linemen. New D-linemen, new linebacker. You're missing some big personalities from last year's team. Lock, Beckner, Terez Hall, Crockett. So, Odom can think he knows how this team will respond when things go bad, but he truly doesn't know until he sees it in person in the moment. I think that's what he meant on Tuesday. 
    At the same time, this same team that couldn't get out of its own way when things went bad in the second quarter came alive in the fourth quarter and started playing better in all three phases. That should be considered a positive sign in the how-will-they-handle-adversity department. Now the issue is getting the team to respond quicker. 
    Anyone want to talk Mizzou hoops?
    Thanks for the chat Dave.
    I thought Gordo's article about Mizzou's momentum was spot on.
    I personally feel the same way. How can Odom and or his teams be trusted?

    How can a team open the season without a clue on how to block or tackle? I somewhat understand how live contact has been decreased, but come on, isn't that the basics of football? If you can't block or tackle you can't win. It wasn't that long ago that's how everyone started two-a-days.

    How many times have we seen Odom's teams come into a week after extra time off and look totally unprepared (and don't even bring up their two touchdown lead to start the game)? That's on the coaching staff, which Odom constantly brags about.
  • Poor tackling is a common problem this time of year. Teams just can't afford to tackle live in preseason camp. I get why coaches are hesitant to turn it loose in August. Concussions and other injuries are way too prevalent with athletes getting bigger, stronger and faster than ever before. That's not an excuse, just reality. Cale Garrett missed a routine tackle on the 75-yard TD run. Awful play. He owned up to it and was accountable after the game and again Tuesday. He's a guy I lean toward giving a free pass. He had 16 tackles in the game and was a main reason 28 of Wyoming's 42 runs were stopped for 3 yards or less. He had more tackles than any Power 5 defender in the country. But it's the big miss we'll remember.
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