Mizzou chat with Dave Matter

Mizzou chat with Dave Matter

Bring your Tigers basketball, football and recruiting questions, and talk to Mizzou beat writer Dave Matter in a live chat starting at 1 p.m. Thursday.

    Greetings, Mizzou chatters. Apologies for the time change this week. One of our boys had a doctor's appointment today so we moved back a couple hours. I'll be here for the next couple hours to talk all things Mizzou and college sports and whatever else comes up.
    Let's start with a few links. Make sure to read about the trend in college football recruiting during this pandemic: the surge of early verbal commitments. Included in this story is a video interview with Washington, Mo., tight end and Mizzou commitment Ryan Hoerstkamp. He talks about why he chose Mizzou and how he's approaching his recent offer from Alabama. 

    Mizzou and other teams pile up commitments as pandemic pushes pace of college football recruiting

    Six of the Tigers' nine verbal commitments for the 2021 class are from in-state targets, five from the St. Louis metro area.
    Also, be sure to give a listen to our latest Mizzou podcast. Ben Frederickson and I talk about the return of college sports and much more. 
    Nice article on recruiting during the pandemic this morning. Did you research how Mizzou is doing thus far versus other D1 schools with NEW coaches?. Curious if there was a noticeable difference.
    Good question. Here are the current commitment totals for all FBS programs with new head coaches:
    Rutgers 16    
    Baylor 14       
    Michigan State 11   
    UTSA 11         
    Boston College 10
    Colorado State 10   
    Missouri 9    
    Mississippi State 9
    South Florida 8        
    New Mexico 7          
    Arkansas 7   
    Florida State 7         
    Washington 6          
    Washington State 5
    Memphis 5   
    Mississippi 4           
    Fresno State 3         
    Appalachian State 3           
    San Diego State 3   
    Colorado 2    
    Hawaii 2       
    UNLV 2           
    In context of first-year coaches, Mizzou is doing pretty well. 
    There is the "freshmen 15" and now the "pandemic 15". Has Mizzou's strength and conditioning staff been keeping tabs on their athletes via Zoom or other means?
    Schools are allowed to suggest workouts for athletes who are away from campus but they're not allowed to mandate any conditioning drills or anything of the sort. I've interviewed most of the Mizzou coaches since the start of quarantine and they've all given their athletes a set of recommended workouts to follow while they're away from the facility ... but they're not allowed to monitor them on a daily basis like they would under normal circumstances. Not all athletes have facilities or resources to work out like they would in Columbia, but some have found gyms or local businesses that offer facilities to train for baseball, softball, basketball, etc. 
    Here's some info the NCAA has been updating during the pandemic in terms of what's allowed and what's not allowed:
    May an institutional strength and conditioning coach or coaching staff member distribute workouts to student-athletes to use for voluntary athletically related activities?
    Yes, provided the workouts are approved by applicable institutional athletics and/or medical personnel and otherwise adhere to applicable legislative, policy and institutional requirements (for example, Interassociation Recommendations Preventing Catastrophic Injury and Death in Collegiate Athletes). As a reminder, an institutional staff member may not supervise or conduct such workouts and it is not permissible for an institutional staff member to post (for example, social media) images and/or video of student-athletes engaged in voluntary athletically related activities.
    May a student-athlete film voluntary athletically related activities and report back to coaching staff members while home and enrolled in online classes?
    No. A student-athlete may not report voluntary athletically related activities to institutional coaches or staff members. However, student-athletes may post to their own social media account a voluntary athletically related activity, not at the direction of an institutional staff member. This action does not constitute reporting back to an institutional staff member.
    Dave

    Thank you for doing this. What might be some of the factors that a successful college quarterback is not successful in the pros ( because I don’t think this can be attributed to style of play, alone, Tim Tebow’s style was different than , say case keenum , who’s style seemed to fit the pros) and yet they both were not as successful as they were in college. We all know what happened with Tebow, and Keenum didn’t (at least up to now) repeat his college success in the pros.
  • So much of it just comes down to the very specific skill of passing accuracy. Defenses are so much faster and more complex in the NFL that it's much harder to complete a high percentage of passes in the pro game compared to college. You have to be able to make all the throws in an NFL playbook and do it at a high level against elite defenses. You have to be able to grasp the intricacies of an NFL playbook. That's harder for some QBs who come from simpler college systems that don't require as much decision-making. There are 65 starting QBs in the Power 5 conferences every fall. There are only 32 NFL teams. So it's a very condensed job market with only a few real openings every year.
    Dave

    For your next book would write a book solving the mystery of who delivered that Pizza to Michael Jordan the night he got sick in Utah (several people claim to have delivered the pizza). It would be a best seller.
    Not sure about that one, but I'd watch a documentary on the mystery. I can say I've only been to Salt Lake City once and I actually ate pizza at a local restaurant. I did not get sick.
    Have you heard anything about the likelihood of MU athletes being able to return on June 1?
    It's not only up to Mizzou. As I wrote today, the Southeastern Conference presidents and chancellors vote on a measure Friday to decide whether to extend its shutdown of team activities beyond May 31 or allow athletes to use team facilities for such activities as early as June 1, pending local and state regulations. That last phrase is important. If the SEC leaders vote to allow football and basketball players back on campus for voluntary workouts on June 1, anything Mizzou has planned must abide by Boone County and state regulations when it comes to social distancing, i.e., how many players are allowed to work out in the same room at a given time. If the SEC votes to not extend the workout ban, then I expect Mizzou to gradually bring back athletes in phases to work out at the team facilities.

    Dave

    Thanks for the chat!

    Have you noticed a change in attitude toward you, from Mizzou athletics after reporting that that board of Trustees rejected Sterk initial candidates for head coach?
    No change at all. I've had multiple people within the athletics department tell me the reporting was fair and accurate.
    Hi Dave,
    Do you expect a BB season with fans in the stands?
    Seems risky to me.
    Have a great holiday w/e.
    Talk to me.
    It's just too far off to make a guess. Let's see what happens with football first. College football programs, Missouri included, are analyzing potential plans for having crowds at games this fall under social distancing guidelines. I suspect much of what happens by late fall for college basketball season will hinge on how football season unfolds - and the other major sports seasons (MLB, NBA, NHL).
    I saw where Kentucky native Jordan Lovett committed to Kentucky rather than Mizzou. He mentioned that Kentucky has had lots of recent success against all of his other finalists. Once again, thanks for nothing Barry. That guy did so much damage to the program its not even funny. Note to the Mizzou Administration: Revoke his Degree
    Historically, how has coach Drink utilized his running backs? Three down backs? 2 down backs? Scat backs only? Work horse or running back by committee?
    I can't say I've studied formations or major trends for all his teams, but last year at App State, he used one primary back who had 255 carries for the season. That's a ton of carries for one running back in today's game. Only 10 running backs in all of college football had more carries for the season. In three years at North Carolina State, he had one primary back handle the bulk of the carries each year. His first year there, the team's lead back had 249 carries - and the No. 2 option had just 49 carries. That's what you call a workhorse.
    The NCAA is making serious charges against against traditional powerhouse BB programs like Kansas, Louisville, LSU and others. These charges seem from what I have read to be much more egregious than the tutor scandal that landed MU with a one year probation. Kansas, unlike MU which cooperated with the NCAA, is vigourously denying the charges. Is the way to get a lighter sentence from the NCAA to fight tooth and nail on the charges rather than cooperating with the NCAA like MU did. If KU is paying money to a family to get their son to go to KU, they ought to receive much harsher penalties than MU did.
    I understand your overall take here, but there are some big differences between the situations. In Mizzou's tutor case, there was an ex-tutor who was blowing the whistle and letting the world know all about her evidence. Mizzou could have denied everything she claimed - and, actually, MU denied her major accusation, that she was directed by her superiors to cheat for the athletes - but MU couldn't deny the evidence that she had in her possession. So, yes, it's easy to say Mizzou should have fought the charges and closed ranks to the investigators, but MU couldn't keep the ex-tutor from sharing her evidence. So, unlike the Kansas scandal, Mizzou couldn't really plead innocent when the tutor had all the damning evidence - or at least enough to bring about the charges and penalties. (Remember, the NCAA only found enough evidence that she helped 12 athletes cheat. She claimed it was more than 40.)
    In hindsight, should Mizzou have fought back and denied any wrongdoing? Well, that's exactly what Mizzou did. They claimed she acted alone. They couldn't deny that she helped athletes cheat - because that was already obvious. Mizzou denied that she was coerced/forced/enticed to help them cheat. That's why they opened their doors to investigators - to prove that it was a solo operation. And that's essentially what the NCAA ruled happened. MU was penalized for not catching her in the act. 
    Why did Mizzou fire Todd Bulter? Bizarre timing.

    Also, have you looked at the new proposal to move the college baseball season back? Postseason would be in July. While I don't expect Mizzou to ever compete consistently in the SEC, a later start to the season would certainly help.
    I haven't looked into the Butler situation. 
    As far as moving back the college baseball schedule, are we sure it would benefit Mizzou to play under warmer weather? It would certainly help attendance at home games if more games were played during warmer months, but if Mizzou has any advantage over other teams in the SEC it might be the weather. I can't imagine Florida or LSU or South Carolina care to play March or April night games in Columbia, Missouri. Former Mizzou coach Tim Jamieson used to talk a lot about how his teams learned to accept the crummy Missouri spring weather and use it as their armor and a source of pride when teams from warmer climates visited Columbia. 
    Its a total joke that Mizzou can't make its own decision about when and how its students and student athletes return to campus.
  • Why is it a total joke? Why shouldn't all teams in one conference that compete against each other have to follow the same rules under the same conditions? To me it doesn't seem fair that the NCAA and the conferences are going to leave it up to the schools to provide resources for COVID testing instead of having a uniform supply system so every team can test at the same rate. Teams that can afford more tests - i.e., teams that have more generous donors and sell more tickets - will be better prepared to test their athletes.
    Serious question... Not trying to set you up for an easy lay up joke about the Kentucky cheerleading hazing story.... Cheerleading can be a high contact "sport". Has Mizzou made any comments about potential cheerleading or band for the fall?. Both are part of what makes college sports great in person. You don't really experience it while watching TV.
  • There have been no comments about plans for cheerleading to my knowledge.

    Dave

    Thanks for the chat.

    There was an article in ESPN today , in which not having college football , or a shortened season was implied as being catastrophic and might be the beginning of the end of college athletics , how do you feel about it? And do you feel any panic among Mizzou athletics?
  • ESPN's report estimated that a lost season will cost college programs $4 billion. Some will probably never recover from losing a full season of football. Mizzou made nearly $39 million off football in the 2019 fiscal year. That was nearly 40 percent of MU's overall revenue. As bad as ticket sales have been for MU football in recent years - bad compared to the peak Pinkel years - football ticket sales still accounted for nearly 60 percent of all ticket revenue for Mizzou sports. You lose a full season of football and I'm not sure how even some schools with a $100 million budget can continue to operate their other seasons. 
    I wouldn't use the word panic - but folks at Mizzou are obviously very concerned about the future. The job of everyone who works in the athletics department relies on football revenue for their paychecks. 
    What do Rakestraw Ford Hoekstra have in common? Drink beat Saban on recruiting them
    Ford and Hoerstkamp haven't signed anything yet, so let's hold off on declaring any recruiting champions just yet. In the interview I posted earlier, Hoerstkamp said he still plans to visit Alabama. 
    Last June, Odom beat out a long list of coaches for Antonio Doyle ... and then he ended up at Texas A&M. 
    Drinkwitz has done a very good job so far on the recruiting trail. I guarantee you he's not smoking any victory cigars for any commitments in May. 
    Dave

    Your very patient with “revoke Odom’s degree guy”, good thing he’s not suggesting putting Odom in prison.
  • You should read the posts I don't publish.
    Is there a reason why Ark can recruit better than MU in mens bball? Mussleman seems new to the area but is beating us in recruiting
    Being new to the area isn't all that important for recruiting. If you can recruit, you can recruit. He's someone I thought Missouri should have targeted after Frank Haith left and again when Kim Anderson was fired. He did a great job at Nevada and has upgraded the talent in Fayetteville in a short time. Arkansas is a very good job. Great fan base. Strong support there. Strong tradition. It's the No. 1 show in the state. A good coach can thrive there.
    Do you think there will be tv telecasts of college football games if they are played without fans
    Of course. That would be the only incentive to have games if you can't have fans, the TV revenue.
    Any word from HS coaches as to how they have perceived visits from the asst football coaches? They seem to like HC ED. But have not heard much from them on the asst coaches
    The assistant coaches haven't been able to visit lately with zero travel in the last two months. Lots of phone calls since then. I mostly talk to the high school coaches in St. Louis and they already had relationships with some of the coaches recruiting their area, Brick Haley, especially. Ryan Walters, too, even though he's technically recruiting Kansas City, he also keeps in touch with some of the STL coaches.
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