STL sports chat with Ben Frederickson

STL sports chat with Ben Frederickson

Bring your Cardinals, Blues and St. Louis sports questions, and talk to Post-Dispatch columnist Ben Frederickson in a live chat starting at 11 a.m. Tuesday.

    Whenever someone mentions Carps or Fowler’s salary as the reason for not cutting them, don’t forgot that each player takes up a 40 man roster than 25 man than a starting 9. Keep them doesn’t just save cut costs but it eats something more valuable
    Correct -- but only if the team is convinced it will get no production from Carpenter and Fowler. That is not the case. Clearly. The team is a lot more optimistic than the fan base regarding these two.
    Still early in the season but I like what I see so far with Jake Allen. Nice bounce back last night after the 2 early goals. Not sure the Jake of the past few years would have done that.
    He's playing about as well as can be expected from that role. He's been a good soldier. Still wonder if the Blues would flip him if another team loses a starting goalie, but we will see. It speaks highly of Jake's play that he could be desirable for another team that finds itself with a goalie crisis, right?
    Is DeJong on some kind of offseason program to help him hit the breaking ball? Same for Bader. If they could improve on pitch recognition they would get more good pitches to hit.
    The Cardinals said they gave all of their guys specialized instructions on things to work on this offseason. It's the offseason of accountability, 2.0. We were not offered a detailed breakdown of what each player has been asked to work on. Some of that will be discussed at Winter Warm-Up and spring training, for sure.
    How long are the recruiting penalties for Mizzou? Is it just for this calendar year or future years as well?
    There needs to be some clarity here from Mizzou. Clarity in terms of what, exactly,  was appealed. Clarity of what, exactly, must now be served. Along with the postseason bans for three sports, the other penalties were: a 5-percent reduction in scholarships for football, baseball and softball during the 2019-20 academic year; recruiting restrictions for the 2019-20 academic year, including a seven-week ban on unofficial visits, a 12.5 percent reduction in official visits, a seven-week ban on recruiting communications, a seven-week ban on all off-campus recruiting contacts and evaluations and a 12.5 percent reduction in recruiting-person or evaluation days; a fine of $5,000 plus 1 percent of each of the football, baseball and softball budgets. My understanding is that those were not applied while Mizzou was appealing, so my hunch would be that they are applied the upcoming season, now that the appeal has been decided against Mizzou. Sterk will need to clear some of this up today.
    You mention a potential reprimand for Sterk from the NCAA. Are ADs not allowed to be publicly critical of the NCAA? Is it completely forgotten that the NCAA exists to serve its member institutions? Or, is there specific language that restricts criticism, similar to how coaches can't publicly criticize officiating? I suspect the scorched earth response is the common gut reaction of most fans (including me).
  • The NCAA does not like people within the NCAA being overly critical of the NCAA. It's like any other big organization in that sense. It prefers company men touting the company line. That is why Mizzou was always trying to walk a tightrope here. It cooperated with the investigation. Even got a pat on the head from the NCAA for that publicly. But then Mizzou felt it got shafted on the punishment, so it created the #MakeItRight campaign and created a discussion about a common sense question -- if schools that cooperate get blasted worse than schools that resist investigation and cooperation at every turn, then what is the point in cooperating? The NCAA does not like people bringing that up. You have to think that played a part both in the appeal taking so long, and the appeal's verdict. All of these things have a political element to them. Always. There seems to be two clear paths here. Either cooperate entirely and sing the NCAA's praises all the time, or bar the door and tell the NCAA to kick rocks. Anything in between, and you get Mizzou'd.
  • Thanks as always for the chat Ben. While I do think they should get rid of Odom because of direction of program, I guess I am just more concerned about the replacement with the recruiting sanctions. While coaching in the SEC is a plus, it can also be a negative because the coach will have to go against the best coaches in college football that get the top recruits and he has a disadvantage. With Martin and BB, all it takes is one player to turn around the team and when he got the Porters, he got a few other recruits to go with it. Football would take a lot longer to turn around unless the coach thinks he has talent here to win now.
    If you are convinced the coach needs to go, better to rip the Band-Aid off. No reason for a lame duck season. The recruiting restrictions would be applied to the upcoming season now that the appeal is done, I think. So, the contract of the new hire would have to reflect all of these things -- that the new hire is taking over a program on probation with recruiting limitations in year one. All of that can be dealt around. All of that can influence the qualifications of the coaches available and interested in the job. That's not said to influence anyone's opinion of Odom. It's just reality. If Sterk is convinced Odom isn't the answer, he should make the move. If he does make the move, he's going to have to sell this program based on what it can be, not what it is at this moment.
    Any chance the bowl ban is a blessing in disguise (if they even get by Arkansas)? Would a third tier bowl against another 6-6 team, with fewer than 5000 MIzzou fans showing up, hurt recruiting as much as it might help? I realize the financial piece of not being in the SEC bowl take is MAJOR.
    Bowl games don't help or hurt recruiting nearly as much as anyone thinks. Especially the middle tier ones. Recruiting helps recruiting. Cool jerseys help recruiting. Winning helps recruiting. All of these things matter a lot more than bowl games in terms of creating interest in a program. I think people would be shocked to find out how few high school players are sitting around watching full football games during bowl seasons. They're watching Instagram, seeing highlights there or seeing what pops up on ESPN's Twitter. They're paying attention to the playoff, maybe. The one thing the bowl ban this season does is potentially make Sterk's decision on Odom easier -- if he is leaning toward a coaching change. What happens Saturday against a lousy Arkansas team doesn't matter now. At all. So much for the suspense.
    A follow up on my base-stealing question: You're correct - in the modern game teams have "preferred players who have more power than speed, because the analytics seem to suggest its better to get on base and wait for a home run than it is risk being thrown out on an attempted steal." And I think there's evidence that this trend, brought on by the rise of advanced analytics, is thus marginalizing one of the most action packed components of the game - aggressive base-running - and will continue to do so as long as analytics decides which kinds of players get paid the big bucks. And the facts on the ground are that this won't change unless the analytic calculus does. If some rule tweaks could make the needed SB success rate of around 70-75% possible for a greater share of players, new styles of players could bring more value to teams, and that could have the effect of injecting more ACTION into the game (that action is the reason why WhiteyBall continues to be beloved). Now, your hesitance to change the rules too much is a totally valid position, but in a time where changes to the strike zone, mound height or distance, and ball itself are in play, couldn't this actually be a more conservative approach?
    I hear you. Respectfully, I just don't like the idea. Watering down base stealing would only lead to an opposite complaint of it becoming too easy. If teams value that, and the Cardinals have re-prioritized it under Shildt, then they should work to get better at it, like the Cardinals did. Don't change the rules to make it easier.
    Would it make sense for Mizzou to go after the NCAA in court? The rulings are way out of line with past and recent rulings.
    That would be refreshing, but I doubt it will. A bunch of politicians will be fired up about it and release scorched-earth statements. Missouri State majority leader Caleb Rowden was the first. There will be more I'm sure. Andy Humes, Mizzou's executive associate AD for compliance, downplayed the idea of a potential lawsuit in the past. Teams volunteer to be in the NCAA. And the rulings are all over the place, so it would be hard to prove much. Mizzou could lead a charge among Power 5 schools to leave the NCAA. That would be something, for sure. Realistic? Probably not.
  • Ben, I need you to clarify, How can you say the offense is boring but the team is not? Fans go to the game to see their team score runs. If this team falls behind it seems unlikely to come back.
    Offense does not equal baseball.
    If it did, the schedule would just be 162 home run derbies.
    That would be quite boring to me.
    It's OK to say the Cardinals offense was bad but the team was good in every other area.
    That's the truth.
    That's also why this group got to the NLCS with such a flawed offense.
    Did you see that espn article on the new LA football stadium and its cost overruns? How does a project go from $1.8 billion to $5 billion to now approaching $6 billion?

    Retail shops and malls are failing left and right thanks to online shopping which is part of that future boondoggle. The poor Chargers have to pay the league moving fees and they have no fan base. If the Rams win less than 8 is it that exciting to pay $700 for 2 seats and thousands for seat licenses knowing ticket prices will keep going up? People don't get rich by giving their money away. You have to buy those awful preseason tickets. The Chargers according to the article are in a pickle.

    But, how could a project get so large of cost overruns? Getting a good return on investment? Stank will be rolling over in his grave. LA never clamored for pro football.
    That's one of the most insane things about this entire thing: LA wanted no team, so the NFL gave them two! And another in Las Vegas!
    How does the bowl ban make Sterk's decision on Odom easier? Makes it easier to get rid of him or easier to keep him?
    It makes it easier if he is leaning toward a change, because now the game against Arkansas does not decide a bowl or not, and he does not have to wrestle with what to do with a team that could be heading to a bowl game, and that coaching situation. Judging Odom's future on the Arkansas game, good or bad, was always a bad idea. That's a very bad team.
    I get the NCAA doesn't like being publicly criticized, but unless there are specific by-laws that prohibit it, we should indeed go scorched earth. They've already upheld all sanctions so any additional punishment would have to come from possible future violations. If those occur, we lawyer-up and cooperate with future NCAA investigations only to the extent we're required to (thanks for the tips Tarheels). Clearly that's the behavior the NCAA is incentivizing. Curious to see how aggressive Sankey is in his comments on this in the coming days. While Mizzou isn't a blue blood, the SEC carries a lot of weight and can hopefully get their attention. Recommend you and/or Matter pursue interview with NCAA representative for story or podcast.
    The NCAA should explain this. That explanation will be pursued. Don't hold your breath on getting much of an answer. The more the NCAA talks, the less sense it makes, so it tries to limit the talking.
    Really like your article regarding getting nothing for Grichuk.There’s a lot of those kind of trades recently with the current front office. Glad you guys are bringing that to attention. We’ve been so generous asked to give Toronto a centerfielder Tampa centerfielder and Cleveland a centerfielder recently
  • Thanks. It's always more interesting and informative to revisit a trade when the book closes on it than pre-judge it in the moment.
    So if MU loses and is not eligible for a bowl does the ban carryover?
    No. Mizzou is banned from a bowl  this season -- whether it wins enough games to be bowl-eligible or not. That's my understanding. The bowl ban does not wait until a team is bowl-eligible to kick in.
    Ben, seems to me it's pretty simple for Sterk when it comes to the decision on Odom. If it makes more economic sense to keep him, he will. But if some well-heel donors step up and are willing to pay the buyout and Sterk sees ticket sales and sponsorship falling if Odom comes back, he gets rid of him. I will say this: If Missouri loses to Arkansas and Odom returns, that tells you the donors weren't there --- and also is a reminder that Mizzou's pockets are not near as deep as most of their SEC rivals. Your comments please.
    Hard to disagree with any of this. Money will play a part in the decision. Remember, Mizzou just found out it's NOT getting that postseason slice of the pie from the SEC. Because teams that are banned from postseason participation don't get that cut. That's $8 or $9 million. Now, that had been budgeted in already, I understand. Worse-case scenario stuff. But now there will be no bowl bump either, if Mizzou would have made one. Donors are tapped for the end zone project. Mizzou does not have some of the heavy hitters found at other schools. All of these things are a factor.
    Assuming Ozunas gone who's going to be the middle of the lineup behind Goldsmidt?
    Paul DeJong? Matt Carpenter? Tyler O'Neill? It's impossible to answer at the moment. Maybe Player TBD?
    Gotta run folks. Need to get cranking on this Mizzou stuff. Thanks for the abbreviated chat today. Talk next week!
    Sorry about the abbreviated chat today. News got in the way, eh? We'll pump it up again next week. Thanks for participating.
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