Greetings, chatters. What a day to talk sports. Arenado rumors flying. Astros tarnished. Blues can’t lose at home. Huge game for SLU coming up. Mizzou plays tonight. LSU did it for the great state of Louisiana. So much to discuss, debate. Let’s roll!
Continues to be the big topic in town. As he should be. Transcendent talent. Would be perfect fit here. If he’s determined to be traded and the Rockies see this as a problem that must be made the best out of now, the Cardinals should do everything in the power to make it happen. The opt out after the 2021 season is still the big hurdle, not the no trade clause.
My experience with players tells me he will be viewed as a rat — a guy who benefited from the cheating when it helped him, then exposed it when it couldn’t hurt him. I don’t agree with that view. It’s much more complicated than that, but clubhouses and locker rooms have a code, and he broke that.
I think that’s your hope more than my intent. I’ve said from the jump I have a hard time seeing the Cards ultimately willing to make this deal happen, based on what the Rockies would ask to sell it to their fans, based on the commitment both financially and verbally to Matt Carpenter, based on DeWitt’s statement that he doesn’t see a significant payroll increase. Things can change. Maybe they will. But my stance hasn’t changed.
We can only go off the facts we have.
Jeff Albert was interviewed by MLB during the investigation of the Astros.
He was not punished for any wrongdoing, which matches the explanation he gave the Cards when the story came out.
Albert is on the clock to get a better offensive performance from Cardinals hitters in 2020.
But it’s unfair to connect him to the sign stealing scandal when the report didn’t confirm that.
Most of Albert’s work was with Houston minor leaguers, and the bulk of the sign stealing happened in 2017, before he joined the major league team.
Did he know about it? He will be asked that eventually. Whether he answers, we will see. Clearly MLB liked his cooperation and answers.
I raised this question in my recent Arenado column.
Why would a team that felt compelled to go get the best third baseman in baseball — in my opinion — not show a shred of any interest in other third basemen in case they were not successful in their pursuit?
If you are seriously hunting Arenado, you think third base needs help now.
But the Cards didn’t get involved with Rendon, didn’t get involved with Donaldson this time around that we know of, didn’t sniff Moustakas.
Doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Im not sure what you mean about Jack not being shy about being underpaid?
I think it’s everyone else that has made that point.
Even when Jack was renewed by the Cards to better protect his leverage when arbitration arrived, he didn’t complain.
Said he didn’t agree with the system but that it wasn’t specific to Cards, and he was right.
He is underpaid. We know it. He knows it. He’s gonna make up for it no matter which team pays him, if he performs like this or better moving forward.
Flaherty isn’t going anywhere.
The Cardinals would be crazy to trade him.
He’s one of the few untouchables.
Count me as one of those who thought the punishment was pretty severe. Those whining about the players not getting punished are conveniently forgetting the players union exists, and that many of the players who could have engaged in the cheating — good luck finding out for sure who did and who did not — have moved on to different teams. Try punishing player X from the Astros 17 team when he’s playing for Team Y. Is that fair to that new team? You punish the team at the top, because respect for the rules trickles down. Manfred knew the year suspensions would lead to the firing of Hinch and Luhnow. You can’t go a season with a suspended manager and general manager. I guess he could have taken more draft picks. I don’t like the idea of limiting international spending. How does decreasing money available for foreign players desperate for a shot at the majors help anyone? The five million dollar fine is the biggest baseball allows. Should it be more? Sure. But Manfred has to work within the rules. Whether the championship is vacated or not doesn’t matter. It’s forever tainted. Baseball isn’t college basketball. Tainted titles are not shrugged off. The asterisk stands forever. Byproduct of a romantic sport.
Baseball. Don’t let the Boras Bonanza fool you. Still a lot of tension between players and owners.
Wait. You’re telling me the Cards saw what we saw? That it’s not horrendous and awful to think there could be a better option at third? I’m shocked. #SarcasmFont.
If the Arenado deal doesn’t happen, and just to be clear I’m in the see-before-believing camp here, there’s gonna need to be a fresh coat of happy paint applied to the Carpenter bounce back campaign.
And fans are still going to see through it.
As they should.
It’s so hard to determine intent, but I wish there were two categories and someone assigned to try. The difference between a hit with ill intent and a hit that was accidental should be clear to a neutral party. I get that the penalty is ratcheted up to encourage reform, but punishing that hit last night the same way a head-hunting blow is punished just doesn’t really seem to sit right. The game has changed. My high school football team used to hand out Slobber Knocked shirts for the biggest hits of the game. That hit last night would have earned one, not a penalty. That is hard to square for fans like me.
I don’t think 29 other owners would sign up for a World Series that is forever tainted by cheating.
Another thing worth mentioning?
Manfred works for owners.
Owners tend to protect owners.
Again, MLB suspended Hinch and Luhnow for a season, but they more or less fired them.
No, I don’t think the Cardinals see much value in being connected to Arenado if a deal doesn’t get done.
They would probably get more criticism than praise for that.
I think they’re interested but that it’s a complicated thing that their track record and current situation — and Arenado’s current contract — makes unlikely until there is hard evidence, not speculation, that this is something beyond a discussion about how it could work.
I watch as little NFL now as I ever have in my life.
The league and the city are in a massive legal fight that is not going away any time soon.
I don’t think the NFL will be back soon, if at all.
I know people love to think the relocation lawsuit could end in a relocation or expansion team but there is zero proof of that being an option
Players get offseasons. Players union protects offseasons. Teams can suggest and encourage and hope, but no, you can’t pull back a contract because a guy spent too much time on the couch during his offseason. What you can and should do is factor previous offseason experiences — good and bad — into the kind of contract you are willing to offer.
Perhaps. Manfred does seem to be more interested in rooting out on-field, in-field game wrong-doing than the off-field variety. That’s not surprising. One is right in front of baseball’s face, being investigated real time by Twitter. Logging into someone else’s account is a lot easier to hide — and for the crowd to move on from — than banging a trash can in a dugout hallway on games in which the broadcast was picking up the sounds. MLB investigation of Houston proved Hinch knew. MLB investigation of Cards didn’t prove anyone other than Correa knew. Might have been different if he cooperated with investigators, but he didn’t, and took a lifetime ban because of it. As for Luhnow’s suspension, worth remembering he was also admonished for cultivating a toxic culture. The Brandon Taubman stuff was mentioned in the investigation, for example. Another thing: The Cards punishment was the first of its kind for something like that. The Astros continued their cheating after the Red Sox Apple Watch scandal. A precedent had been set. That’s why Red Sox and Cora will be hit harder than the Astros. Repeat offenders.
A ranked Big Ten team gets in, so if they can keep that foothold, sure.
They’re so up and down it’s hard to predict.
I’m no media critic.
You tell me what you got from that post.
We know the Cards and Rockies are talking about Arenado.
Of course they are talking about names, swapping ideas back and forth.
What else would they be doing?
Someone tell the folks in Boston who managed to convince themselves they lost to a lighting-strike, flash in plan fluke.
Local media got mocked when we suggested the Blues were built to last.
No one laughing now.
What coach is getting more out of his team? What team would you rather bet on right now?
Please don’t do the thing where you try to convince me Nolan Arenado is awesome. I don’t need convincing. Awesome, he is!
And again, he would rock here. St Louis would love him. He would love St. Louis.
But considering the many hurdles to a potential Arenado trade — not going to run through them all again for the millionth time — it’s worth mentioning the Cards do not appear to be a team desperate for a third baseman right now, considering they were not involved with some really good ones that have already moved.
It might take a team desperate for a third baseman to pull off the trade for Arenado, not one that likes Arenado a lot.
That’s all I’m saying.